"Tim K." wrote:

Here's another one for Orlando - how about you
stay home and give us a week or two to put this
place back together before you swarm in to the
beach and get in the way.

Of course, all the merchants would much rather their
interrupted cash flow from tourism were resumed
ASAP, all those merchants' employees would like to
avoid layoffs due to lack of any business, ...

Folks, knowing the town is a mess, are most likely
staying away in droves anyway, plus the approach of
killer storm Ivan (just broke into at least fifth
place for all time most deadly Atlantic storm ever,
not likely to overtake the one that hit Galveston,
TX, any time soon, though) after the lessons of
killer storm Charlie and killer storm Frances
reminded people of the relatively fragile nature of
human bodies, is more than likely changing even more
vacation plans. Orlando is going to end the year
feeling not only battered but neglected and part of
a business slump, I'm guessing.

A better approach than yours would be one listing
all the stuff in Orlando that IS ready, right now,
to cater to the tourist trade, to remind potential
tourists the town is still among the living. Those
tourists brave enough to show up are brave enough to
step around the cleanup efforts, too, I'd guess.

xanthian.



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"Kent Paul Dolan" wrote in message
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"Tim K." wrote:

Here's another one for Orlando - how about you
stay home and give us a week or two to put this
place back together before you swarm in to the
beach and get in the way.

Of course, all the merchants would much rather their
interrupted cash flow from tourism were resumed
ASAP, all those merchants' employees would like to
avoid layoffs due to lack of any business, ...

Many are closed due to damage.

Folks, knowing the town is a mess, are most likely
staying away in droves anyway,

You *obviously* haven't driven through all the out-of-order traffic lights
on A1A the past couple of days.

A better approach than yours would be one listing
all the stuff in Orlando that IS ready, right now,
to cater to the tourist trade, to remind potential
tourists the town is still among the living. Those
tourists brave enough to show up are brave enough to
step around the cleanup efforts, too, I'd guess.

Except that, for the most part, I could not care less about Orlando.
Don't get me wrong, I'd never wish anything bad on anyone. But jesus
christ, people need to stay the hell out of places that are storm damaged
until the infrastructure gets somewhat put back together.

"Tim K." wrote:
"Kent Paul Dolan" wrote:
"Tim K." wrote:

Here's another one for Orlando - how about you
stay home and give us a week or two to put this
place back together before you swarm in to the
beach and get in the way.

Of course, all the merchants would much rather their
interrupted cash flow from tourism were resumed
ASAP, all those merchants' employees would like to
avoid layoffs due to lack of any business, ...

Many are closed due to damage.

And so that ones that are not should just go broke
to show solidarity?

Folks, knowing the town is a mess, are most likely
staying away in droves anyway,

You *obviously* haven't driven through all the
out-of-order traffic lights on A1A the past couple
of days.

1) Probably not, since I live in the quasi-desert
California Central Valley, and my only means of
transportation is a bicycle. My comments derive
from my former participation in the community of
tropical cyclone forecasters, not from my
proximity to the areas of devastation.

2) But why do you imagine that the situation would
not be exactly as bad as what you experience with
only native Floridians on the roads, and not all
that many of those? Roads washed out, traffic
signals gone brain-dead, trees, rubble and downed
power lines, plus repair crew barricades making
entrance to and exit from major roads a zoo ...
tourists are not a necessary ingredient to make a
mess of the morning commute, it's inherently a mess
and will remain so for weeks. The smooth, rapid
conveyance of the huge bulk of vehicles most major
roads carry can be blocked for hours by a single
traffic accident; good traffic flow is a fragile
circumstance. Blaming the problem on "tourists" is
just naive. The carrying capacity of those roads,
in the present circumstances, is probably less than
10% of normal, but pretty much all of the usual
commuter traffic is out there trying to use them as
if they were still fully functional, anyway.

A better approach than yours would be one listing
all the stuff in Orlando that IS ready, right
now, to cater to the tourist trade, to remind
potential tourists the town is still among the
living. Those tourists brave enough to show up
are brave enough to step around the cleanup
efforts, too, I'd guess.

Except that, for the most part, I could not care
less about Orlando.

Then why did you chirp in on a thread clearly
including "Orlando" in the subject line?

Don't get me wrong, I'd never wish anything bad on
anyone.

Evidence to the contrary is abundant in your
contributions to this very thread.

But jesus christ, people need to stay the hell out
of places that are storm damaged until the
infrastructure gets somewhat put back together.

Except, for reasons already documented, 1) that
won't work, it only makes the recovery even more
painful, and 2) you are looking for scapegoats for
something inherent in the situation and not, very
likely, at all related to those to whom you are
seeking to affix blame.

Don't do that, it is a form of broken mental health.

xanthian.


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"Kent Paul Dolan" wrote in message
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And so that ones that are not should just go broke
to show solidarity?

And so if people stay out until traffic lights are repaired retailers will
go "broke"? What a convenient assumption on your part.

Blaming the problem on "tourists" is
just naive.

As if that were what I was doing. Besides, most of the people to whom I
refer are just here to go surfing. They contribute nothing to the economy.

The carrying capacity of those roads,
in the present circumstances, is probably less than
10% of normal,

How little you know about growth in Florida.
Under the best circumstances our roads are backed up.
It is simply not too much to ask that people stay away until the place gets
put back together.

"Tim K." wrote:

"Kent Paul Dolan" wrote:

And so that ones that are not should just go
broke to show solidarity?

And so if people stay out until traffic lights are
repaired retailers will go "broke"? What a
convenient assumption on your part.

As opposed to your assumption that waiting until the
mess is cleaned up isn't going to cause problems for
an economy already badly damaged, I think mine is
the more rational guess.

Blaming the problem on "tourists" is
just naive.

As if that were what I was doing.

Yes, that is exactly what you were doing.

Besides, most of the people to whom I
refer are just here to go surfing.

And continuing to do. You are very bad at keeping
your lying consistent if you can't manage to
transition from one sentence to the next in the same
paragraph without tripping over yourself.

They contribute nothing to the economy.

Their cars consume no fuel, their stomachs go unfed,
their bodies require no shelter, they buy no film
and develop no photographs, they eschew souveniers?

You are a _really_ unskilled liar.

The carrying capacity of those roads, in the
present circumstances, is probably less than 10%
of normal,

How little you know about growth in Florida.

Why do you assume that "growth in Florida" has any
different effects than "growth anywhere?" Florida's
roads were a mess in 1966 when I was there, in 1974
when I was there, I'm sure that hasn't changed in
2004. And how would that rebut my claim that the
roads are not currently up to carrying their normal
traffic load at normal levels of inconvenience, in
any case?

Under the best circumstances our roads are backed
up.

That is a truism almost everywhere in the world.
Roads get constructed with money begrudgingly
authorized by taxpayers only when the traffic
situation gets absolutely unbearable. They are
_never anywhere on earth_ kept always with carrying
capacities five years ahead of the demand, as would
be appropriate to make commuting pain-free and
robust in the face of accidents.

It is simply not too much to ask that people stay
away until the place gets put back together.

Yes, it is, in large part because it is not
"outsiders who haven't stayed away", but "locals
(clueless goobers _exactly_ like you) who are
completely informed about the problems, but _still_
refuse to keep off the roads until the roads are fit
to use, and then whine about the results as if it
were someone else's fault than their own" that are
the proximate cause of the problems about which you
are kvetching.

As you seem to have abandoned all rational thought
on the issue, I'll just ignore any further responses
from you, in my long-running campaign to let the
invincibly ignorant of the Net find other playmates
than me.

xanthian.



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"Kent Paul Dolan" wrote in message
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As opposed to your assumption that waiting until the
mess is cleaned up isn't going to cause problems for
an economy already badly damaged, I think mine is
the more rational guess.

From someone who has no idea what the situation is. Mine is the more
informed. You aren't here; you have no idea. EOS

Blaming the problem on "tourists" is
just naive.

As if that were what I was doing.

Yes, that is exactly what you were doing.

People coming over to surf aren't tourists. Geddit?

Besides, most of the people to whom I
refer are just here to go surfing.

And continuing to do. You are very bad at keeping
your lying consistent

I'm not lying; I'm stating the opinion that we don't need a bunch of people
coming over here getting in the way when all the traffic lights are out and
gas stations are closed. Is that too difficult for your sensibilities?

if you can't manage to
transition from one sentence to the next in the same
paragraph without tripping over yourself.

The loser's opt out.

They contribute nothing to the economy.

Their cars consume no fuel, their stomachs go unfed,
their bodies require no shelter, they buy no film
and develop no photographs, they eschew souveniers?

That's pretty much it - the stores were all closed. You'd know that if
you'd read what I wrote - or even better were actually here you wouldn't
seem so foolish.

You are a _really_ unskilled liar.

heh, that the best you can do?

Why do you assume that "growth in Florida" has any
different effects than "growth anywhere?"

I'm talking about the barrier island in Brevard County Florida. No place
else. Please try to follow along. Shall I paste in a link to a map? I
mean, I'm really trying to work with you here.

Florida's
roads were a mess in 1966 when I was there,

See above - I refer to Brevard barrier islands. Had you been here then (as
I was) you'd know better than to write something so foolish.

in 1974
when I was there,

When people were walking away from houses here due to Apollo layoffs
earlier.
You don't have any idea what either one if us is writing about. I've been
here (the place I'm writing about) since 1959.


Under the best circumstances our roads are backed
up.

That is a truism almost everywhere in the world.

Which does nothing to invalidate my statement. Trust me bucko, it's even
worse when all the traffic lights are out. You'd understand that, if you
were here.

Roads get constructed with money begrudgingly
authorized by taxpayers only when the traffic
situation gets absolutely unbearable. They are
_never anywhere on earth_ kept always with carrying
capacities five years ahead of the demand, as would
be appropriate to make commuting pain-free and
robust in the face of accidents.

Irrelevant drivel.


It is simply not too much to ask that people stay
away until the place gets put back together.

Yes, it is, in large part because it is not
"outsiders who haven't stayed away", but "locals
(clueless goobers _exactly_ like you) who are
completely informed about the problems, but _still_
refuse to keep off the roads until the roads are fit
to use, and then whine about the results as if it
were someone else's fault than their own" that are
the proximate cause of the problems about which you
are kvetching.

As you seem to have abandoned all rational thought
on the issue, I'll just ignore any further responses
from you, in my long-running campaign to let the
invincibly ignorant of the Net find other playmates
than me.

There is nothing outrageous about wanting people to stay off a barrier
island until the traffic lights are up and the gas stations are open. Nice
meltdown though.