As we all know, the Wright Brothers converted their old bicyle shop
into their shop where they built their first airplane. Where the hell
was Belfort Instruments? Did they have a shop down the street at the
corner deli??? And it can be found that the Wright Brothers relied on
some British made instrumentation. For Belfort to enblazen such a
statement on their T-shirts just displays their desperation to make a
sale, at any cost! Maybe if they invented something worthwhile like
the Wright Brothers, then they wouldn't need to advertise like this!
Where is the written record that Belfort Instuments supplied the Wright
Brothers with Instrumentation. I've heard of many crazy things before,
but such advertising is utterly crazy! In fact, by their statements,
they tend to diminish the great accomplishments of thes wonderful
pioneers .... "The Wright Brothers Relied On Us."!!!!!!!

Well, now I am convinced, Belfort Instruments oes really SUCK!!!!! If
they were so great of a company, they could ride the wave of their own
successes and NOT detract from other successful individuals! Maybe
being in the red all of the time, promotes such unprofessional
activity!

Now, I ask the question! Does anyone out there, think that "The Wright
Brothers Relied on Us" ... Belfort Instuments??? Does anyone think
this, or believe this? Do you also find this devious attempt of
association unethical? What a cry of failure!

I decided already -- you're a troll.

If you put half as much effort into your job as you did posting this rubbish
to these newsgroups, you probably wouldn't be in this unemployed predicament
in the first place. I say props to Belfort for saving money on personnel who
waste too much time instead of doing something constructive!

You also state that Belfort is in the red. Surely by this you mean losing
money -- otherwise what would you have to bitch about now? Unless I failed
economics, my 5 year old could ascertain that the lack of a minus sign or
parenthesis next to their yearly net numbers would show that they're
actually quite profitable. Actually, I'm becoming quite surprised that they
hired you in the first place, nevermind terminating you. Belfort you do
suck!

killfile.

Why go with a follower when you choose from
among the Leaders in AWOS weather systems like:

http://www.vaisala.com/businessareas/solutions/av
iationweather/products/automatedweatherobservings
ystems

http://www.allweatherinc.com/aviation/awos_dom.ht
ml

http://www.superawos.com

These three vendors have AWOS weather systems
which have been "commissioned" by the FAA. Not
every company can say that.... so do YOUR
homework! Or you'll be sorry....

and CHECK OUT THIS VALID COMPARISON of AWOS:
http://www.superawos.com/feature_comparison.htm

WHY WASTE YOUR MONIES ON AN INFERIOR AWOS?

The Wright Brothers Relied exclusively on a
Richard's Anemometer to record wind speed and
direction. Here is a history documenting the
definitive proof including a picture of Wilbur
Wright actually using Richard's anemometer.
DON'T LET ANYONE TELL YOU DIFFERENTLY!


THE HISTORY: Octave Chanute responded to
Wilbur's letter on May 12th, 1901. He suggested
that Wilbur specify whether he wanted to use the
English [Robinson, a cup type] or French
anemometer [Richard of Paris, a rotating vane
type] at the appropriate time. [An anemometer is
an instrument used to determine the wind's
speed. The English anemometer is a Robinson
anemometer, a cup type. The French anemometer is
by Richard of Paris and is a rotating vane type.]

http://wings.avkids.com/Book/Wright/history1_1901
4.html


WILBUR WRIGHT TO OCTAVE CHANUTE
Dayton, Ohio, May 17, 1901

As to anemometer we are inclined to think that
we would prefer the nonrecording Richard's
instrument as our chief use for it will be
measuring velocities for very brief periods.

http://invention.psychology.msstate.edu/inventors
/i/Wrights/library/Chanute_Wright_correspond/1901
/May17-1901.html


RICHARD ANEMOMETER
The Wrights borrowed this French-made, hand-held
anemometer from Octave Chanute and used it to
measure wind speeds during their flight tests at
Kitty Hawk.

http://www.nasm.si.edu/wrightbrothers/fly/1900/te
stflying.cfm


TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 23, 1903
An anemometer, or wind gauge, is an instrument
for measuring the force and speed of wind. The
earliest anemometer was invented by Thomas
Romney Robinson (1793 - 1882). This gauge uses
an arrangement of cups on a spindle to detect
the wind and a series of clockwork connections
to translate the speed of the rotating cups to a
wind speed value. Octave Chanute, the Wright's
French colleague, brought them a later
anemometer made by Richard of Paris.

http://www.centennialofflight.gov/2003FF/sept.htm
l


WRITINGS OF THE WRIGHT BROTHERS (Final Prep)

We had a "Richard" hand anemometer with which we
measured the velocity of the wind. Measurements
made just before starting the first flight
(December 17, 1903) showed velocities of 11 to
12 meters per second, or 24 to 27 miles per
hour. Measurements made just before the last
flight (December 17, 1903) gave between 9 and 10
meters per second. One made just after showed a
little over 8 meters.


WILBUR WRIGHT WITH RICHARD'S ANEMOMETER (picture)

http://www.exn.ca/FlightDeck/Aviators/wright3.cfm


How about this blog: http://digi****.blog.cz/

You're sick
wrote in message
...
Why go with a follower when you choose from
among the Leaders in AWOS weather systems like:

http://www.vaisala.com/businessareas/solutions/av
iationweather/products/automatedweatherobservings
ystems

http://www.allweatherinc.com/aviation/awos_dom.ht
ml

http://www.superawos.com

These three vendors have AWOS weather systems
which have been "commissioned" by the FAA. Not
every company can say that.... so do YOUR
homework! Or you'll be sorry....

and CHECK OUT THIS VALID COMPARISON of AWOS:
http://www.superawos.com/feature_comparison.htm

WHY WASTE YOUR MONIES ON AN INFERIOR AWOS?

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 17:49:40 GMT,
wrote:

:Why go with a follower when you choose from
:among the Leaders in AWOS weather systems like:

Because I would rather buy a dog turd on a string than buy anything
from you, you spamming asshole.

Maybe we should just call you Ba-****, huh Mr. Bashir Salamati?

Belfort Instrument President Mark Decker gave me a DigiWx tee-shirt
this past summer at the SATS demo in Danville, Virginia and it reads:

"The Wright Brothers relied on us. December 17, 1903, Wind NE at 21
mph" while the Wright Brothers personally wrote on December 17, 1903:

"We had a 'Richard' hand anemometer with which we measured the velocity

of the wind. Measurements made just before starting the first flight
showed velocities of 11 to 12 meters per second, or 24 to 27 miles per
hour. Measurements made just before the last flight gave between 9 and
10
meters per second. One made just after showed a little over 8 meters."

And then there is that indisputable pictu

WILBUR WRIGHT USING A RICHARD'S ANEMOMETER (picture)
http://www.exn.ca/FlightDeck/Aviators/wright3.cfm

You won't find a picture of the Belfort/Friez weather station (circa
1897-1913) with the Wright Brothers in the background or the foreground

because there isn't one! In fact, there is no direct evidence (written
or otherwise) that Belfort or Friez ever had a weather station at Kitty

Hawk, NC in December 1903. And there is no direct evidence (written or
otherwise) that the US Weather Bureau ever bought the Belfort/Friez
weather station and placed it in use on the outer banks of North
Carolina.

The Wright Brothers chose the outer banks of North Carolina for three
reasons:

1) they needed a large open space to conduct their flight experiments
2) they needed a soft landing environment which "beach sand" provided,
and 3) they needed steady winds which all beaches usually have.

Additionally, Belfort claims to have been founded in 1876. Yet, Julien
Friez never made it to Baltimore until at least 1890 according to:
http://www.colby.edu/sts/97guide/sm_nmah.html

"Julien Pierre Friez (1852-1916) was born in France and came to the
United States at the age of 15. He worked with Robert Henning in
Ottawa,
Illinois on telegraphy equipment, circa 1868; later he was a foreman
for
Ottomar Mergentheler, circa 1880-1890. After leaving Mergentheler,
Friez moved to Baltimore where he set up Belfort Laboratories and began
a
manufacture of scientific instruments. He later acquired an interest in

meteorology and did important work on the design and manufacture of
meteorological recording instruments."

Lastly, Belfort claims to be "The Oldest Weather Company in the World"
yet the earliest anemometer was invented by Thomas Romney Robinson
(1793 - 1882). Mr. Robinson invented his anemometer in 1846 before
Julian Friez even was born six years later in 1852. I think that makes
Mr.
Robinson the creator of "The Oldest Weather Company in the World."
http://www.universityscience.ie/page...y_robinson.php

How disingenuous can a company get ?????????????????????????

Belfort Instrument Company is FULL OF IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Too bad they had to "hijack" their fabled company history while taking
away from the accomplishments and endeavors of the Wright Brothers
and from Thomas Romney Robinson!

HOW LOW CAN YOU GO ??????????????????????????

Well, Skylune, I too, am very PROUD of your enlightened decision! I'm
sure you will not be sorry! As far as labeling this person as Troll of
the Year? Maybe you should be labelling them as "Truth and Safety
First"!

Ah, maybe you'll even thank him one day too!

Skylune wrote:
OK, I give up. You win the Troll of the Year Award! jgrove and I are weak
competition.

Next time I fly in the 172, I will make sure that we don't use any
airports that have purchased (or are "demo-ing") a Belfort system.

We were considering a DigiWx AWOS and a SuperAWOS. I was sold on DigiWx
AWOS until I started talking with DigiWx users who had the DigiWx VOICE
option including Huntington UT, Annapolis MD, Monticello UT and Ocean
City, NJ after I saw the comparison at
http://www.superawos.com/feature_comparison.htm. SuperAWOS told me I
wouldn't find any happy users and I didn't!

All four airports report DigiWx VOICE as not working greater than 90%
of the time. I did hear one user say that DigiWx had mic clicks
available. But SuperAWOS say DigiWx mic clicks is not automatically
adaptive --- only manually adaptive which means there has to be
somebody available to alter the message length on an Automated Unicom
transmission.

Considering all the other things I have been hearing about DigiWx and
the Belfort Instrument Company, I believe we will be pursuing the
SuperAWOS product instead even though it costs more. But like someone
already said, buy **** and you'll have ****! We don't want any DigiWx
turds around on our airport!