Charles wrote:

for the last couple years

http://quicktake.morningstar.com



Yes, we know how easy it is to make money, when all you have to do is
burn oil, chop down trees, plow under farmland and wetlands, and build
lots of shanty style stick condos and strip malls. It's especially easy
when you just let the mutual funds do it for you. That way you don't
have to take any of the blame for the irreparable damage you do to the
environment. So neat. So easy. So profitable. So blameless.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 19:50:51 -0500, Thomas Lee Elifritz
wrote:



Charles wrote:

for the last couple years

http://quicktake.morningstar.com



Yes, we know how easy it is to make money, when all you have to do is
burn oil, chop down trees, plow under farmland and wetlands, and build
lots of shanty style stick condos and strip malls. It's especially easy
when you just let the mutual funds do it for you. That way you don't
have to take any of the blame for the irreparable damage you do to the
environment. So neat. So easy. So profitable. So blameless.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org


It is better to do it the more ethecial way, have the government take
it away from other people.

On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:33:41 GMT, "Roald B. Larsen"
wrote:

:
:"Roger Coppock" skrev i melding
roups.com...
: China isn't the globe. One winter storm is not climate.
:
:
:That is right.
:Winter will always bring some cold spells, even
:farther to the south than expected.
:
:The real news is the warm spells that can now
:be experienced in the far north even in winter!
:And the general raise in median temperatures.
:
:Just to put the weather report from China in perspective:
:Yesterday the northern part of Norway saw the warmest
:January day since temperature measurements started 150
:years ago. Svalbard (in some countries called Spitzbergen),
:which is situated on 78 degrees North, is in for temps. of
:around 3 degrees Celsius tomorrow! There is no wonder
:why December brought a new record minimum for extent
f Arctic sea ice:
:
:http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/n_plot.html
:
:Those AGW-deniers does not know the difference
:between weather and climate, and few of them will
:ever be willing to learn, it seems.

A quick question for you.

I'll assume that GW is real, and that it's entirely man made.

Are you SURE it's a bad thing? Absolutely sure?

Are we already above the optimum global climate temperature? I mean,
if you take all human activites into account, everything from growing
crops to sunbathing on the beach, would we be better off with a colder
overall climate temperature? Because I've read accounts of the little
ice age, and it sounded awful.

It's possible, I suppose, that in 1990 we were at the absolue optimum
temperature and since then it's been worse for humans as it's gotten a
little hotter. But that seems like an awfully big coincidence. Isn't
it just as likely that if things get a little warmer, the growing
season is longer, so there's more food and fewer people are hungry,
people use less oil to keep warm in the winter, you can live at a
higher lattitude - that all that would all be a good thing?

Charles wrote:

Yes, we know how easy it is to make money, when all you have to do is
burn oil, chop down trees, plow under farmland and wetlands, and build
lots of shanty style stick condos and strip malls. It's especially easy
when you just let the mutual funds do it for you. That way you don't
have to take any of the blame for the irreparable damage you do to the
environment. So neat. So easy. So profitable. So blameless.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

It is better to do it the more ethecial way, have the government take
it away from other people.

Yes, relieve them of their land violently, so that your mutual funds can
hire their cronies to build more stick condos on the beachs in the paths of
hurricanes and tsunamis, and in tornado alley, and more shoddily designed
and poorly insulated stickboard condos and strip malls in northern climates,
selling US trinkets at Mao-mart, manufactured by slave labor in repressive
regimes. Fiberboard is so modern, so technologically advanced. We can just
burn the plastic foam insulation to keep warm. Heck we can just burn the
furniture when worse comes to worse, and then finally we can burn the condos
themselves.

Earth - Easter Island Planet.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

"Richard Riley" wrote in message
...

A quick question for you.

I'll assume that GW is real, and that it's entirely man made.

Are you SURE it's a bad thing? Absolutely sure?

Are we already above the optimum global climate temperature? I mean,
if you take all human activites into account, everything from growing
crops to sunbathing on the beach, would we be better off with a colder
overall climate temperature? Because I've read accounts of the little
ice age, and it sounded awful.

It's possible, I suppose, that in 1990 we were at the absolue optimum
temperature and since then it's been worse for humans as it's gotten a
little hotter. But that seems like an awfully big coincidence. Isn't
it just as likely that if things get a little warmer, the growing
season is longer, so there's more food and fewer people are hungry,
people use less oil to keep warm in the winter, you can live at a
higher lattitude - that all that would all be a good thing?

Hi Richard,

This is an entirely reasonable question, and you ask it very well.

I don't know if there is such a thing as an "optimum" average temperature.
Surely it is advantageous not having as much land trapped beneath ice sheets
as there was 20K years ago, but between the climate 1 or 200 years ago and
one with tropical forests inside the arctic circle, why should one degree be
better or worse than another?

But the critical issue with what is going on today (and perhaps also what
went on 55Myrs ago during the PETM) is not where the temperature is or is
not, but how fast it is moving. Rapid change is the only real danger. Just
as in the Little Ice Age you brought up, it was not so much a problem that
it *was* colder but that it *got* colder. Habits and infrastructure were
suited to weather that no longer came. But even then the change was not so
rapid or widespread that there was any significant loss of biodiversity
(AFAIK). Similarily, there is hardly any intrinsic difference between one
mean sea level and another, but it would be nice if the water stayed below
port city street levels and so many of us live right on the current
shoreline.

The rate at which the global temperature is rising today is apparently
unprecedented in the history of our species and at least very rare in
geological history. What we know about ecosystems and what geologic history
demonstrates is that such dramatic changes - up or down or sideways - are a
tremendous shock to the biosphere.

And that, all in all, is not likely to be a good thing at all.

--
Coby Beck
(remove #\Space "coby 101 @ bigpond . com")

Name calling ... now that's real intelligence!


" And one warmest year on record is not global warming.

Are all Aussies as dumb as you?

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

In article ,
"Michael" wrote:
But your original post claimed
"There is nothing cool on this planet!"
Well, China is at the moment.
And one warmest year on record is not global warming.

The warmest years (plural) ever recorded have occurred since 1990.


"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
roups.com...
China isn't the globe. One winter storm is not climate.

In article ,
Richard Riley wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:33:41 GMT, "Roald B. Larsen"
wrote:

:
:"Roger Coppock" skrev i melding
groups.com...
: China isn't the globe. One winter storm is not climate.
:
:
:That is right.
:Winter will always bring some cold spells, even
:farther to the south than expected.
:
:The real news is the warm spells that can now
:be experienced in the far north even in winter!
:And the general raise in median temperatures.
:
:Just to put the weather report from China in perspective:
:Yesterday the northern part of Norway saw the warmest
:January day since temperature measurements started 150
:years ago. Svalbard (in some countries called Spitzbergen),
:which is situated on 78 degrees North, is in for temps. of
:around 3 degrees Celsius tomorrow! There is no wonder
:why December brought a new record minimum for extent
f Arctic sea ice:
:
:http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/n_plot.html
:
:Those AGW-deniers does not know the difference
:between weather and climate, and few of them will
:ever be willing to learn, it seems.

A quick question for you.

I'll assume that GW is real, and that it's entirely man made.

Are you SURE it's a bad thing? Absolutely sure?

The odds are it will be, and it's better to be safe than sorry. Why take the
chance and experiment with our one and only planet? It's not like we can
leave if the outcome is bad.


Are we already above the optimum global climate temperature? I mean,
if you take all human activites into account, everything from growing
crops to sunbathing on the beach, would we be better off with a colder
overall climate temperature? Because I've read accounts of the little
ice age, and it sounded awful.
GW will also bring rainfall changes, more and more intense storms, and coastal
flooding.



It's possible, I suppose, that in 1990 we were at the absolue optimum
temperature and since then it's been worse for humans as it's gotten a
little hotter. But that seems like an awfully big coincidence. Isn't
it just as likely that if things get a little warmer, the growing
season is longer, so there's more food and fewer people are hungry,
people use less oil to keep warm in the winter, you can live at a
higher lattitude - that all that would all be a good thing?

OK, how many of the billions that get displaced by rising sea levels are you
going to take in?

Michael wrote:

Name calling ... now that's real intelligence!

Wow, top posting too! That takes real brains.

" And one warmest year on record is not global warming.

Are all Aussies as dumb as you?

Look at the evidence, moron. It takes intelligence to learn.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

Michael wrote:

Name calling ... now that's real intelligence!

Wow, top posting too! That takes real brains.

" And one warmest year on record is not global warming.

Are all Aussies as dumb as you?

Look at the evidence, moron. It takes intelligence to learn.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org