Michael wrote:

Name calling ... now that's real intelligence!

Wow, top posting too! That takes real brains.

" And one warmest year on record is not global warming.

Are all Aussies as dumb as you?

Look at the evidence, moron. It takes intelligence to learn.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

One warmest year isn't global warming,
but these data a

Please see:
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2

Use your own eyes. Look at these data and you can see
the warming. Follow the minus signs.

Or look at a graph:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/UAH-MSU.jpg

How much evidence do you need?

The surface record:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Glob...ean%20Temp.jpg
The balloon record:
http://members.cox.net/rcoppock/Angell-Balloon.jpg
The sea ice record:
http://nsidc.org/news/press/20050928...scontinue.html
The glacier retreat record:
http://nsidc.org/sotc/glacier_balance.html
The bore hole record:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/globa...g/pollack.html

Richard Riley wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 19:33:41 GMT, "Roald B. Larsen"
wrote:

:
:"Roger Coppock" skrev i melding
roups.com...
: China isn't the globe. One winter storm is not climate.
:
:
:That is right.
:Winter will always bring some cold spells, even
:farther to the south than expected.
:
:The real news is the warm spells that can now
:be experienced in the far north even in winter!
:And the general raise in median temperatures.
:
:Just to put the weather report from China in perspective:
:Yesterday the northern part of Norway saw the warmest
:January day since temperature measurements started 150
:years ago. Svalbard (in some countries called Spitzbergen),
:which is situated on 78 degrees North, is in for temps. of
:around 3 degrees Celsius tomorrow! There is no wonder
:why December brought a new record minimum for extent
f Arctic sea ice:
:
:http://nsidc.org/data/seaice_index/n_plot.html
:
:Those AGW-deniers does not know the difference
:between weather and climate, and few of them will
:ever be willing to learn, it seems.

A quick question for you.

I'll assume that GW is real, and that it's entirely man made.

Evidence suggests that it isn't entirely man-made.


Are you SURE it's a bad thing? Absolutely sure?

No. It will probably be better for some, worse for others. The
overall balance is incredibly difficult to access. One of the
big problems is the rate of change. It becomes more difficult,
if not impossible, for people and ecosystems to adapt as the
rate of climate change gets larger.


Are we already above the optimum global climate temperature? I mean,
if you take all human activites into account, everything from growing
crops to sunbathing on the beach, would we be better off with a colder
overall climate temperature? Because I've read accounts of the little
ice age, and it sounded awful.

I recently finished a book (the name escapes me and I don't have
it with me, but it is a recent publication), that suggests that global
warming may have forestalled a turn back toward an ice age
during that past couple of hundred years. It is also the author's
position that man started affecting the climate as much as 8000
years ago, through agricultural changes. The evidence is
suggestive rather than conclusive, but he brings an interesting
range of evidence to the discussion.


It's possible, I suppose, that in 1990 we were at the absolue optimum
temperature and since then it's been worse for humans as it's gotten a
little hotter. But that seems like an awfully big coincidence. Isn't
it just as likely that if things get a little warmer, the growing
season is longer, so there's more food and fewer people are hungry,
people use less oil to keep warm in the winter, you can live at a
higher lattitude - that all that would all be a good thing?

IMO it is impossible to say with certainty. And even if a little
warmer (say 1 F) would be better on the whole, would a lot
warmer (say 5 F) be even better? From what we know now,
5 F is well within the range of possibility if we don't act. If the
warming shuts down the thermohaline circulation in the Atlantic
it may cause bigger problems. We know that the climate of
the late 20th century was reasonably conducive. We don't
know how a warmer climate will affect things. IMO it is a
dangerous experiment to run.

Cheers,
Russell

On Sun, 08 Jan 2006 21:40:55 -0500, Thomas Lee Elifritz
wrote:



Charles wrote:

Yes, we know how easy it is to make money, when all you have to do is
burn oil, chop down trees, plow under farmland and wetlands, and build
lots of shanty style stick condos and strip malls. It's especially easy
when you just let the mutual funds do it for you. That way you don't
have to take any of the blame for the irreparable damage you do to the
environment. So neat. So easy. So profitable. So blameless.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org

It is better to do it the more ethecial way, have the government take
it away from other people.

Yes, relieve them of their land violently, so that your mutual funds can
hire their cronies to build more stick condos on the beachs in the paths of
hurricanes and tsunamis, and in tornado alley, and more shoddily designed
and poorly insulated stickboard condos and strip malls in northern climates,
selling US trinkets at Mao-mart, manufactured by slave labor in repressive
regimes. Fiberboard is so modern, so technologically advanced. We can just
burn the plastic foam insulation to keep warm. Heck we can just burn the
furniture when worse comes to worse, and then finally we can burn the condos
themselves.

Earth - Easter Island Planet.

http://cosmic.lifeform.org



Not to worry, you'll get your share when tax time comes around.

I'm worried about next summer, here in the North. How many more of us will
be dead. How many more of those with slight intelligence will be removed by
psychiatrists who laugh and those whose brains they destroy.

I wish I was a lemon tree... And then you would like my fruit and sit
beneath my branches shading from the sun, with your lemon flavoured ices and
your lemon flavoured tea.

I think that western psychopath who invented psychiatry should be torn apart
in the rack and his body fed to pidgeons cooing in the yard. "You Murdered
my wife....!" "You are absolutely Mad!"

Chris.
"Lloyd Parker" wrote in message
...
In article ,
"Michael" wrote:
But your original post claimed
"There is nothing cool on this planet!"
Well, China is at the moment.
And one warmest year on record is not global warming.

The warmest years (plural) ever recorded have occurred since 1990.


"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
groups.com...
China isn't the globe. One winter storm is not climate.

Evidence suggests that it isn't entirely man-made.

True, about 70% of the warming over the last 3 decades is
due to anthropogenic greenhouse gases. But, AGH forcing
is growing fastest. In about thirty years, it will be 90%!

Anthropogenic greenhouse forcing easily dominates all other
potential causes of the observed warming. Please see:
http://www.grida.no/climate/ipcc_tar/wg1/figspm-3.htm
and
http://www.giss.nasa.gov/data/simodel/
and
ftp://ftp.ngdc.noaa.gov/paleo/gcmout...al-4_12_01.txt

"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
ups.com...
The UAH MSU data are in. December's global mean was .235
which is .93 SIGMA, .2047, above the mean, .04542. There is
nothing cool on this planet!

Please see:
http://vortex.nsstc.uah.edu/data/msu/t2lt/tltglhmam_5.2

Use your own eyes. Look at these data and you can see
the warming. Follow the minus signs.

There is no warming.
There can be no warming.
There will be no warming.

Your so called "data" is nothing but a pile of lies.

Science is a Luciferian persuit and only the God of the Universe can alter
the climate of the earth, and even if there was warming, God would ensure
that it would only be beneficial or benevolent.

Put that reality in your crack pipe, you Commie.

The real news is the warm spells that can now
be experienced in the far north even in winter!
And the general raise in median temperatures.

Hahahahahahah.. It gets warm every summer when the earth gets closer to the
sun.

You don't expect us to believe your Global Warming Claptrap do you? Filthy
Treasonous Liberals.

Global Warming is a Criminal Communist conspiracy to destroy Capitalism,
Destroy the American Empire and establish a Communist one world government
headed by the U.N. with Lucifer at it's healm.

"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
Anthropogenic greenhouse forcing easily dominates all other
potential causes of the observed warming. Please see:

Quite impossible, because the earth is not observed to be warming.

Science - the persuit of knowlede has been a ploy of Lucifer since the first
days of Eden when Eve was tempted to eat from the tree of knowledge.

Lucifer continues with this ploy to this day.

Science = Anti God.

"Coby Beck" wrote in message news:6fgwf.65788
- every year since 1992 has been warmer than 1992

Lie.

"Coby Beck" wrote in message news:6fgwf.65788
- the ten hottest years on record occured in the last 15

Lie.

"Coby Beck" wrote in message news:6fgwf.65788
- every year since 1976 has been warmer than 1976

Lie.

"Coby Beck" wrote in message news:6fgwf.65788
- the 20 hottest years on record occured in the last 25

Lie.

"Coby Beck" wrote in message news:6fgwf.65788
- every year since 1956 has been warmer than 1956

Lie.

"Coby Beck" wrote in message news:6fgwf.65788
- the 60 hottest years on record occured in the last 79

Lie.

"Coby Beck" wrote in message news:6fgwf.65788
- every year since 1917 has been warmer than 1917


Lie.