Posted on: Thursday, 24 May 2007, 12:00 CDT
Global Warming Impacts Aren't Waiting for Future

By Douglas Fischer

SAN FRANCISCO - FORGET THE future. Global warming's impacts -- be they
sea-level rise, weird weather or vast ecological die-offs -- are well
under way here and now.

Warming trends over the past 50 years suggest the region will have to
rethink how it goes about restoring tidal wetlands, such as the vast
South Bay salt ponds. Some regions being lovingly restored now may
never emerge from low tide 20 to 50 years' hence.

On Wednesday meteorologists, oceanographers and ecologists with the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration presented an overview
of how the Bay Area will likely fare given global warming's expected
impacts.

Most striking was that the scientists did not rely on predictions and
models to make an impression. They just looked back at the past few
years.

Fishermen based out of Pillar Point and other commercial harbors are
already switching gear as warm-water species like jumbo squid move
north. Sperm whales -- rarely seen hereabouts -- are making regular
appearances, following the squid. Meanwhile the giant blue whales,
mainstays of the outer Farallon Islands, never showed last year.

And some evidence suggests humpbacks are switching to a fish diet,
suggesting the two whales -- mom and calf -- lost and struggling in
the Delta may just be the beginning.

Other examples:

-In last summer's heat wave that killed 140 people and fried nearly
10,000 Pacific Gas & Electric Co. transformers, daily highs were
neither notable nor the problem, said National Weather Service senior
meteorologist David Reynolds.
It was the nights. Many places in the Bay Area never got below 90
degrees.
"Transformers blew because we never before had to run air conditioning
24 hours a day for four days straight," Reynolds said.

-Sea level rise -- half a foot so far since 1900 and as much as three
feet in the next century -- will transform how we go about restoring
tidal wetlands, said Natalie Cosentino-Manning, a National Marine
Fisheries Service restoration specialist.
[ . . . ]
"Wouldn't it be better for society to just buy them out now than
figure out how to protect it (later)?"
Contact Douglas Fischer at or (510)
208-6425.

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Posted on: Thursday, 24 May 2007, 12:00 CDT
Global Warming Impacts Aren't Waiting for Future

By Douglas Fischer

SAN FRANCISCO - FORGET THE future. Global warming's impacts -- be they
sea-level rise, weird weather or vast ecological die-offs -- are well
under way here and now.

Warming trends over the past 50 years suggest the region will have to
rethink how it goes about restoring tidal wetlands, such as the vast
South Bay salt ponds. Some regions being lovingly restored now may
never emerge from low tide 20 to 50 years' hence.

On Wednesday meteorologists, oceanographers and ecologists with the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration presented an overview
of how the Bay Area will likely fare given global warming's expected
impacts.

Most striking was that the scientists did not rely on predictions and
models to make an impression. They just looked back at the past few
years.

Fishermen based out of Pillar Point and other commercial harbors are
already switching gear as warm-water species like jumbo squid move
north. Sperm whales -- rarely seen hereabouts -- are making regular
appearances, following the squid. Meanwhile the giant blue whales,
mainstays of the outer Farallon Islands, never showed last year.

And some evidence suggests humpbacks are switching to a fish diet,
suggesting the two whales -- mom and calf -- lost and struggling in
the Delta may just be the beginning.

Other examples:

-In last summer's heat wave that killed 140 people and fried nearly
10,000 Pacific Gas & Electric Co. transformers, daily highs were
neither notable nor the problem, said National Weather Service senior
meteorologist David Reynolds.
It was the nights. Many places in the Bay Area never got below 90
degrees.
"Transformers blew because we never before had to run air conditioning
24 hours a day for four days straight," Reynolds said.

-Sea level rise -- half a foot so far since 1900 and as much as three
feet in the next century -- will transform how we go about restoring
tidal wetlands, said Natalie Cosentino-Manning, a National Marine
Fisheries Service restoration specialist.
[ . . . ]
"Wouldn't it be better for society to just buy them out now than
figure out how to protect it (later)?"
Contact Douglas Fischer at or (510)
208-6425.


First, doom was a couple hundred years away.
Then it was 100 years.
Then 50.
Then 30.
Then 10.
Now it's here. The warmers have covered 200 years in about 6

On May 25, 8:39 am, "James" wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message

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Posted on: Thursday, 24 May 2007, 12:00 CDT
Global Warming Impacts Aren't Waiting for Future

By Douglas Fischer

SAN FRANCISCO - FORGET THE future. Global warming's impacts -- be they
sea-level rise, weird weather or vast ecological die-offs -- are well
under way here and now.

Warming trends over the past 50 years suggest the region will have to
rethink how it goes about restoring tidal wetlands, such as the vast
South Bay salt ponds. Some regions being lovingly restored now may
never emerge from low tide 20 to 50 years' hence.

On Wednesday meteorologists, oceanographers and ecologists with the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration presented an overview
of how the Bay Area will likely fare given global warming's expected
impacts.

Most striking was that the scientists did not rely on predictions and
models to make an impression. They just looked back at the past few
years.

Fishermen based out of Pillar Point and other commercial harbors are
already switching gear as warm-water species like jumbo squid move
north. Sperm whales -- rarely seen hereabouts -- are making regular
appearances, following the squid. Meanwhile the giant blue whales,
mainstays of the outer Farallon Islands, never showed last year.

And some evidence suggests humpbacks are switching to a fish diet,
suggesting the two whales -- mom and calf -- lost and struggling in
the Delta may just be the beginning.

Other examples:

-In last summer's heat wave that killed 140 people and fried nearly
10,000 Pacific Gas & Electric Co. transformers, daily highs were
neither notable nor the problem, said National Weather Service senior
meteorologist David Reynolds.
It was the nights. Many places in the Bay Area never got below 90
degrees.
"Transformers blew because we never before had to run air conditioning
24 hours a day for four days straight," Reynolds said.

-Sea level rise -- half a foot so far since 1900 and as much as three
feet in the next century -- will transform how we go about restoring
tidal wetlands, said Natalie Cosentino-Manning, a National Marine
Fisheries Service restoration specialist.
[ . . . ]
"Wouldn't it be better for society to just buy them out now than
figure out how to protect it (later)?"
Contact Douglas Fischer at or (510)
208-6425.

First, doom was a couple hundred years away.
Then it was 100 years.
Then 50.
Then 30.
Then 10.
Now it's here. The warmers have covered 200 years in about 6- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Winters are warmer aren't they? Well, february was warmer......err,
mid-february was warmer, errr... in some places in the US anyways.
Right? See there's your global warming. Only need one or two datapoint
right? That's scientific, isn't it?.... in my environmental activist
anyways.

"Tunderbar" wrote in message
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On May 25, 8:39 am, "James" wrote:
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Posted on: Thursday, 24 May 2007, 12:00 CDT
Global Warming Impacts Aren't Waiting for Future

By Douglas Fischer

SAN FRANCISCO - FORGET THE future. Global warming's impacts -- be they
sea-level rise, weird weather or vast ecological die-offs -- are well
under way here and now.

Warming trends over the past 50 years suggest the region will have to
rethink how it goes about restoring tidal wetlands, such as the vast
South Bay salt ponds. Some regions being lovingly restored now may
never emerge from low tide 20 to 50 years' hence.

On Wednesday meteorologists, oceanographers and ecologists with the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration presented an overview
of how the Bay Area will likely fare given global warming's expected
impacts.

Most striking was that the scientists did not rely on predictions and
models to make an impression. They just looked back at the past few
years.

Fishermen based out of Pillar Point and other commercial harbors are
already switching gear as warm-water species like jumbo squid move
north. Sperm whales -- rarely seen hereabouts -- are making regular
appearances, following the squid. Meanwhile the giant blue whales,
mainstays of the outer Farallon Islands, never showed last year.

And some evidence suggests humpbacks are switching to a fish diet,
suggesting the two whales -- mom and calf -- lost and struggling in
the Delta may just be the beginning.

Other examples:

-In last summer's heat wave that killed 140 people and fried nearly
10,000 Pacific Gas & Electric Co. transformers, daily highs were
neither notable nor the problem, said National Weather Service senior
meteorologist David Reynolds.
It was the nights. Many places in the Bay Area never got below 90
degrees.
"Transformers blew because we never before had to run air conditioning
24 hours a day for four days straight," Reynolds said.

-Sea level rise -- half a foot so far since 1900 and as much as three
feet in the next century -- will transform how we go about restoring
tidal wetlands, said Natalie Cosentino-Manning, a National Marine
Fisheries Service restoration specialist.
[ . . . ]
"Wouldn't it be better for society to just buy them out now than
figure out how to protect it (later)?"
Contact Douglas Fischer at or (510)
208-6425.

First, doom was a couple hundred years away.
Then it was 100 years.
Then 50.
Then 30.
Then 10.
Now it's here. The warmers have covered 200 years in about 6- Hide quoted
text -

- Show quoted text -

Winters are warmer aren't they? Well, february was warmer......err,
mid-february was warmer, errr... in some places in the US anyways.
Right? See there's your global warming. Only need one or two datapoint
right? That's scientific, isn't it?.... in my environmental activist
anyways.

Havn't I read any number of times that there has been no warming since 1998?
Every time I have read it on this NG, it has been thoroughly and
convencingly rebutted with "It's a lie!" We are fortunate to have so many
climate experts among the posters.

birdog wrote:


Havn't I read any number of times that there has been no warming since
1998? Every time I have read it on this NG, it has been thoroughly and
convencingly rebutted with "It's a lie!" We are fortunate to have so many
climate experts among the posters.

No, it's not a lie, it's perfectly true - as long as you only compare 1998
with 2006 and ignore all the other years. In other words, carefully select
your data to prove a point. 2006 was 0.05C cooler than 1998 but 2005 was
0.36C warmer than 1997. Better to smooth out the lumps and bumps in the
data. If you do that, you'll find that global temperatures are rising by a
little over 0.2C per decade. If you go back to the last peak in global
temperatures, the 1940s, you'll see that we are now about 0.6C warmer than
then.

Have a look at the data at
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts.txt and see for
yourself.

--
Graham P Davis
Bracknell, Berks., UK
Send e-mails to "newsman" as mails to "newsboy" are ignored.

On 25 May 2007 06:48:32 -0700, Tunderbar wrote:

Winters are warmer aren't they? Well, february was warmer......err,
mid-february was warmer, errr... in some places in the US anyways.
Right? See there's your global warming. Only need one or two datapoint
right? That's scientific, isn't it?.... in my environmental activist
anyways.

Yes, it seems winters have been a little warmer, and summers have been a
little cooler. Hooray!

On Fri, 25 May 2007 09:39:43 -0400, "James" , A
non coffee lover Said:


"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
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Posted on: Thursday, 24 May 2007, 12:00 CDT
Global Warming Impacts Aren't Waiting for Future

By Douglas Fischer

SAN FRANCISCO - FORGET THE future. Global warming's impacts -- be they
sea-level rise, weird weather or vast ecological die-offs -- are well
under way here and now.

Warming trends over the past 50 years suggest the region will have to
rethink how it goes about restoring tidal wetlands, such as the vast
South Bay salt ponds. Some regions being lovingly restored now may
never emerge from low tide 20 to 50 years' hence.

On Wednesday meteorologists, oceanographers and ecologists with the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration presented an overview
of how the Bay Area will likely fare given global warming's expected
impacts.

Most striking was that the scientists did not rely on predictions and
models to make an impression. They just looked back at the past few
years.

Fishermen based out of Pillar Point and other commercial harbors are
already switching gear as warm-water species like jumbo squid move
north. Sperm whales -- rarely seen hereabouts -- are making regular
appearances, following the squid. Meanwhile the giant blue whales,
mainstays of the outer Farallon Islands, never showed last year.

And some evidence suggests humpbacks are switching to a fish diet,
suggesting the two whales -- mom and calf -- lost and struggling in
the Delta may just be the beginning.

Other examples:

-In last summer's heat wave that killed 140 people and fried nearly
10,000 Pacific Gas & Electric Co. transformers, daily highs were
neither notable nor the problem, said National Weather Service senior
meteorologist David Reynolds.
It was the nights. Many places in the Bay Area never got below 90
degrees.
"Transformers blew because we never before had to run air conditioning
24 hours a day for four days straight," Reynolds said.

-Sea level rise -- half a foot so far since 1900 and as much as three
feet in the next century -- will transform how we go about restoring
tidal wetlands, said Natalie Cosentino-Manning, a National Marine
Fisheries Service restoration specialist.
[ . . . ]
"Wouldn't it be better for society to just buy them out now than
figure out how to protect it (later)?"
Contact Douglas Fischer at or (510)
208-6425.


First, doom was a couple hundred years away.
Then it was 100 years.
Then 50.
Then 30.
Then 10.
Now it's here. The warmers have covered 200 years in about 6

If you include that HURRICANE FORECAST then they went through 200
years down to November 1st 2007
Nov 1 2007 will be declared the beginning of the end.

I love how MAN thinks he can change **** like the climate.

On 25 May 2007 06:48:32 -0700, Tunderbar , A non
coffee lover Said:

On May 25, 8:39 am, "James" wrote:
"Roger Coppock" wrote in message

ups.com...





Posted on: Thursday, 24 May 2007, 12:00 CDT
Global Warming Impacts Aren't Waiting for Future

By Douglas Fischer

SAN FRANCISCO - FORGET THE future. Global warming's impacts -- be they
sea-level rise, weird weather or vast ecological die-offs -- are well
under way here and now.

Warming trends over the past 50 years suggest the region will have to
rethink how it goes about restoring tidal wetlands, such as the vast
South Bay salt ponds. Some regions being lovingly restored now may
never emerge from low tide 20 to 50 years' hence.

On Wednesday meteorologists, oceanographers and ecologists with the
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration presented an overview
of how the Bay Area will likely fare given global warming's expected
impacts.

Most striking was that the scientists did not rely on predictions and
models to make an impression. They just looked back at the past few
years.

Fishermen based out of Pillar Point and other commercial harbors are
already switching gear as warm-water species like jumbo squid move
north. Sperm whales -- rarely seen hereabouts -- are making regular
appearances, following the squid. Meanwhile the giant blue whales,
mainstays of the outer Farallon Islands, never showed last year.

And some evidence suggests humpbacks are switching to a fish diet,
suggesting the two whales -- mom and calf -- lost and struggling in
the Delta may just be the beginning.

Other examples:

-In last summer's heat wave that killed 140 people and fried nearly
10,000 Pacific Gas & Electric Co. transformers, daily highs were
neither notable nor the problem, said National Weather Service senior
meteorologist David Reynolds.
It was the nights. Many places in the Bay Area never got below 90
degrees.
"Transformers blew because we never before had to run air conditioning
24 hours a day for four days straight," Reynolds said.

-Sea level rise -- half a foot so far since 1900 and as much as three
feet in the next century -- will transform how we go about restoring
tidal wetlands, said Natalie Cosentino-Manning, a National Marine
Fisheries Service restoration specialist.
[ . . . ]
"Wouldn't it be better for society to just buy them out now than
figure out how to protect it (later)?"
Contact Douglas Fischer at or (510)
208-6425.

First, doom was a couple hundred years away.
Then it was 100 years.
Then 50.
Then 30.
Then 10.
Now it's here. The warmers have covered 200 years in about 6- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Winters are warmer aren't they? Well, february was warmer......err,
mid-february was warmer, errr... in some places in the US anyways.
Right? See there's your global warming. Only need one or two datapoint
right? That's scientific, isn't it?.... in my environmental activist
anyways.

RIGHT NOW eastcoast temps are +10 above and low rain, armageddon is
here, now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Fri, 25 May 2007 13:11:52 -0400, "birdog" , A non
coffee lover Said:

We are fortunate to have so many
climate experts among the posters.

And that 'climate expert' Algore? Yeah, you forgot him?

On Fri, 25 May 2007 14:23:41 -0900, Ed Jones , A
non coffee lover Said:

On 25 May 2007 06:48:32 -0700, Tunderbar wrote:

Winters are warmer aren't they? Well, february was warmer......err,
mid-february was warmer, errr... in some places in the US anyways.
Right? See there's your global warming. Only need one or two datapoint
right? That's scientific, isn't it?.... in my environmental activist
anyways.

Yes, it seems winters have been a little warmer, and summers have been a
little cooler. Hooray!

My ass is colder than my balls latley. I attribute this to CO2 rises.