On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:51:46 -0700, Roger Coppock
wrote:

As Predicted, Global Warming Fuels More Tropical Rainfall
By Andrea Thompson, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 28 August 2007 11:37 am ET

Scientists had predicted that global warming ought to increase
rainfall in the tropics. Now NASA researchers say it has.
[Its a prediction Arrhenius made based on his climate model in 1896.
-- Roger ]

Scientists assembled a 27-year global record of rainfall from
satellite observations and ground-based instruments and found that the
rainiest years between 1979 and 2005 occurred primarily after 2001.

The wettest year in the record was 2005, followed by 2004, 2003, 2002
and 1998.

The patterns observed in the record showed that increases in rainfall
were concentrated over tropical oceans, while there was a slight
decrease over land.

"When we look at the whole planet over almost three decades, the total
amount of rain falling has changed very little," said study leader
Guojun Gu of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "But
in the tropics, where nearly two-thirds of all rain falls, there has
been an increase of 5 percent."

This increase in rainfall is expected in a warming world, because
warmer surface temperatures increase the evaporation of water from the
ocean and the land and warmer air can hold more moisture, which
eventually forms clouds and precipitation.

[ . . . ]

The rest, including a map, links, and a Video, are he
http://www.livescience.com/environme...l_changes.html


This is good, isn't it?

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:05:15 -0700, Roger Coppock
wrote:

Now it is obvious. However, Arrhenius
made the prediction 111 years ago,
when it was a good deal less obvious.

Sure, only scientists know things dry faster when it is
warmer.

On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:37:34 -0700, Roger Coppock
wrote:

On Aug 28, 2:28 pm, Talk-n-Dog wrote:
[ . . . ]
Great, now we know that it's rainfall causing the oceans to rise, and
the polar ice can't be responsible for all of it.

It helps to read an article before commenting on it.
That way, your reply doesn't make you look like a total idiot.

He's not on my whitelist, so I never see his responses. But that sure
was dumb! While the hydrologic cycle's rate may possibly increase,
evaporated water will closely approximate the precipitated water in
short order.

Jon

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which stands continually open to our gaze, but it cannot be
understood unless one first learns to comprehend the language and
interpret the characters in which it is written. It is written in
the language of mathematics, and its characters are triangles,
circles, and other geometric figures, without which it is humanly
impossible to understand a single word of it; without these, one
is wandering about in a dark labyrinth. [Galileo, in The Assayer]

Charles wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:51:46 -0700, Roger Coppock
wrote:

As Predicted, Global Warming Fuels More Tropical Rainfall
By Andrea Thompson, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 28 August 2007 11:37 am ET

Scientists had predicted that global warming ought to increase
rainfall in the tropics. Now NASA researchers say it has.
[Its a prediction Arrhenius made based on his climate model in 1896.
-- Roger ]

Scientists assembled a 27-year global record of rainfall from
satellite observations and ground-based instruments and found that the
rainiest years between 1979 and 2005 occurred primarily after 2001.

The wettest year in the record was 2005, followed by 2004, 2003, 2002
and 1998.

The patterns observed in the record showed that increases in rainfall
were concentrated over tropical oceans, while there was a slight
decrease over land.

"When we look at the whole planet over almost three decades, the total
amount of rain falling has changed very little," said study leader
Guojun Gu of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "But
in the tropics, where nearly two-thirds of all rain falls, there has
been an increase of 5 percent."

This increase in rainfall is expected in a warming world, because
warmer surface temperatures increase the evaporation of water from the
ocean and the land and warmer air can hold more moisture, which
eventually forms clouds and precipitation.

[ . . . ]

The rest, including a map, links, and a Video, are he
http://www.livescience.com/environme...l_changes.html


This is good, isn't it?

Nature is neither good nor bad. It just is.

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Roger Coppock wrote:
http://www.livescience.com/environme...l_changes.html
Well, a 27 year record isnt much to go on is it. Not in the overall
scheme of things.

If you have better or longer term data you are more
than welcome to present them here.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/precip_cru/graphs/Fig_A.pdf

Roger Coppock wrote:
On Aug 28, 3:37 pm, wrote:
Scientists had predicted that global warming ought to increase
rainfall in the tropics. Now NASA researchers say it has.
[Its a prediction Arrhenius made based on his climate model in 1896.
-- Roger ]
This increase in rainfall is expected in a warming world, because
warmer surface temperatures increase the evaporation of water from the
ocean and the land and warmer air can hold more moisture, which
eventually forms clouds and precipitation.
This is an OBVIOUS conclusion. No one needs any model to come to this
OBVIOUS conclusion. Of course if it is warmer, and more water
evaporates, there will be more rain in precisely the place where most
of the Sun shines and where most of the water evaporates from
already. Did I mention this is OBVIOUS; to just about anybody.

Now it is obvious. However, Arrhenius
made the prediction 111 years ago,
when it was a good deal less obvious.
Hindsight is always 20/20 . . .

Should remember that Arrhenius was looking for
an explanation of the ice ages and chalked it up to CO2.

On Aug 28, 6:41 pm, Al Bedo wrote:
Roger Coppock wrote:
http://www.livescience.com/environme...l_changes.html
Well, a 27 year record isnt much to go on is it. Not in the overall
scheme of things.

If you have better or longer term data you are more
than welcome to present them here.

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/precip_cru/graphs/Fig_A.pdf

Good point, Al! Why didn't they use CRU Precipitation
data? Please see:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/~mikeh/datasets/global/

Now, we're going to have to find out!

Jonathan Kirwan wrote:
On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:37:34 -0700, Roger Coppock
wrote:

On Aug 28, 2:28 pm, Talk-n-Dog wrote:
[ . . . ]
Great, now we know that it's rainfall causing the oceans to rise, and
the polar ice can't be responsible for all of it.
It helps to read an article before commenting on it.
That way, your reply doesn't make you look like a total idiot.

He's not on my whitelist, so I never see his responses. But that sure
was dumb! While the hydrologic cycle's rate may possibly increase,
evaporated water will closely approximate the precipitated water in
short order.


Thanks I take your statements as a badge of honor. A closed mind is a
wonderful thing to waste. Maybe the extra water is coming from ground water?

Maybe your wrong? Maybe, since I was commenting on your synopsis of the
article and addressing the points that you highlighted, you didn't
clarify the point you were attempting to make? Maybe I'm right, and
it's not a rising ocean at all and I was laughing at you while I
proposed as ridiculous an Idea as you did. Sarcasm is above and beyond
some. The funny part is the holier than though attitude of you True
Believers. Your line of garbage changes by the hour, as you need to
adapt to all the BS you spew is debunked by average "idiots". If you
look back, you'd find I put forth contrastingly ridiculous ideas when I
see you True Believers spew idiotic Hypothesis.

I alway wonder how you'll explain away different ideas so that your
beloved GW can continue to be pertinent in your "life on the razors
edge" existence.

I'm open minded, I read it all and then decide, where as most of your
kind have your mind set and only accept what you consider supporting
information to enter your small little world of reality.




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On Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:58:38 -0000, matt_sykes
wrote:


Well, a 27 year record isnt much to go on is it. Not in the overall
scheme of things.

There is no ''overall scheme of things''. We are in charge. We are
responsible.

Roger Coppock wrote:
As Predicted, Global Warming Fuels More Tropical Rainfall
By Andrea Thompson, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 28 August 2007 11:37 am ET

Scientists had predicted that global warming ought to increase
rainfall in the tropics. Now NASA researchers say it has.
[Its a prediction Arrhenius made based on his climate model in 1896.
-- Roger ]

Scientists assembled a 27-year global record of rainfall from
satellite observations and ground-based instruments and found that the
rainiest years between 1979 and 2005 occurred primarily after 2001.

The wettest year in the record was 2005, followed by 2004, 2003, 2002
and 1998.

The patterns observed in the record showed that increases in rainfall
were concentrated over tropical oceans, while there was a slight
decrease over land.

"When we look at the whole planet over almost three decades, the total
amount of rain falling has changed very little," said study leader
Guojun Gu of NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Md. "But
in the tropics, where nearly two-thirds of all rain falls, there has
been an increase of 5 percent."

This increase in rainfall is expected in a warming world, because
warmer surface temperatures increase the evaporation of water from the
ocean and the land and warmer air can hold more moisture, which
eventually forms clouds and precipitation.

[ . . . ]

The rest, including a map, links, and a Video, are he
http://www.livescience.com/environme...l_changes.html

More rain is good news.

- Increased water for crops, flora, and fauna.

- More (pure) water for drinking.

- More water for hydroelectric power.