On Sep 12, 10:17 am, john fernbach wrote:

Otherwise, you're just playing into the game of the AGW Deniers, and
putting a "Democratic" tag on the issue of climate change that is
guaranteed to keep millions of Americans from taking it seriously.

Most Americans are still laughing at the 'ozone hole hairspray scam'.
They certainly don't take you agw-tards seriously enough to do
anything about co2.
As for ol' VD Scuttle Nutts influencing anybody...well, Ferngacy, your
delusions seem to be endless.

On Aug 28, 12:51 pm, Roger Coppock wrote:
As Predicted, Global Warming Fuels More Tropical Rainfall
By Andrea Thompson, LiveScience Staff Writer
posted: 28 August 2007 11:37 am ET

Scientists had predicted that global warming ought to increase
rainfall in the tropics. Now NASA researchers say it has.
[Its a prediction Arrhenius made based on his climate model in 1896.
-- Roger ]

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http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/conten...t/317/5835/233

"Originally published in Science Express on 31 May 2007
Science 13 July 2007:
Vol. 317. no. 5835, pp. 233 - 235
Reports
How Much More Rain Will Global Warming Bring?
Frank J. Wentz,* Lucrezia Ricciardulli, Kyle Hilburn, Carl Mears
Climate models and satellite observations both indicate that the total
amount of water in the atmosphere will increase at a rate of 7% per
kelvin of surface warming. However, the climate models predict that
global precipitation will increase at a much slower rate of 1 to 3%
per kelvin. A recent analysis of satellite observations does not
support this prediction of a muted response of precipitation to global
warming. Rather, the observations suggest that precipitation and total
atmospheric water have increased at about the same rate over the past
two decades"

- but as NOT predicted, rainfall has increased 2 to 7 times as much
as
the models- more rain implies more clouds- a negative feedback. As I
have said before, why get excited over a 1.1 K increase over a
century, especially
since most of the warming is in the winter and at night- A. McIntire

"mrbawana2u" wrote
Most Americans are still laughing at the 'ozone hole hairspray scam'.

No AmeriKKKan now uses hairspray that is forced from a spray can using
CFC's as a propellent.

Neither do they use air conditioners or refrigerators using CFC's as
refrigerants.

And your Economic doomster brethern - who claimed that banning CFC's would
"murder" half the worlds population and cost the global economy trillions of
dollars, were proven to be the Cock Sucking KKKonservative fools and Liars
that we all know you are.

Now the same morons are whining about the disasters that will befall mankind
if CO2 is not produced to excess. The global economy will fail they say,
and people will die.

Sorry. Same KKKonservative ****. 30 years later.

I have never met a KKKonservative who wasn't a perpetual liar.









They certainly don't take you agw-tards seriously enough to do
anything about co2.
As for ol' VD Scuttle Nutts influencing anybody...well, Ferngacy, your
delusions seem to be endless.

wrote
- but as NOT predicted, rainfall has increased 2 to 7 times as much
as the models- more rain implies more clouds- a negative feedback.

Ahahahahahah.. This is not (Rain+observed)/(Rain+predicted) it is
observed/predicted.

So if Rain = 1 and observed = .00000000001 and predicted = .000000000001
then

(Rain+observed)/(Rain+predicted) = 1

But observed/predicted = 10

Ahahahahahaha... Dividing the differences to make them look dramatically
larger than they are.

Ahahahahahahaha..... What a buch of ****ing Denialist KKKonservative
Losers.

"john fernbach" wrote
Exterminate -- I agree that the Bush administration is awful; they've
done all of the evil economic deeds you're talking about, and I hope
you and others kick their butts in the next election.

I'm not a U.S. citizen. If I were Bush would already be executed for war
crimes, mass murder and treason.

"john fernbach" wrote
But why don't you stick to the topic of this usenet group, which is
"alt.global-warming"?

Look at the header, this thread is also going to
sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorology, sci.geo.oceanography.

AmeriKKKa is the primary impediment to progress in this world, and once the
AmeriKKKan state has been eradicated, the world and it's environment will be
much better off.


"john fernbach" wrote
When you post a lot of partisan political statements in the
"alt.global-warming" group, you probably are giving a lot of people
the impression that global warming is a
partisan issue --

You don't see any Democrats claiming that it's all a massive conspiracy
perpetrated by virtually all of the worlds scientists. And you don't see
real think tanks (as opposed to industry propaganda organs like the
KKKonservative Heritage Foundation and the CEI) lying to the public in
support of ever higher levels of CO2 emissions.



And it isn't. I wouldn't vote for most of these guys, but there are
Republicans as well as Democrats in the US who are waking up to the
danger of the climate change situation. And, in some cases, to the
economic advantages that their states may gain by moving to address
the climate change and CO2 situation.

Examples of Republicans who have been taking important steps at the
state level to deal with CO2 emissions and climate change now include
Charlie Crist, Republican governor of Florida; Tim Pawlenty, GOP
governor of Florida, and of course California's GOP governor Arnold
Schwarznegger.

On the national level, meanwhile, GOP senator and presidential hopeful
John McCain has been speaking the truth on AGW for some time now, and
has co-sponsored legislation to deal with it.

None of these Republicans is secretly doing "LIB RAL" & Democratic
bidding on this issue, Exterminate. McCain is pretty damned
conservative on most issues, and so apparently is Crist.

But they're also smart enough and honest enough to recognize the
threat that CO2-driven climate change poses to their states, and
indeed to the whole country, and so they're formulating "Republican"
approaches to it.

Given that the American electorate has recently been pretty evenly
divided between Republicans and Democrats, I think you need to be
acknowledging the CLIMATE contributions that these GOP politicians are
making.

Otherwise, you're just playing into the game of the AGW Deniers, and
putting a "Democratic" tag on the issue of climate change that is
guaranteed to keep millions of Americans from taking it seriously.

One day I might run across a RepubliKKKan who isn't a chronic and congenital
Liar.

Until that day - I say Hang the entire lot of the ****ers.

Every filthy one.

On Sep 15, 1:45 am, "ExterminateAllRepubliKKKans"
wrote:
wrote

- but as NOT predicted, rainfall has increased 2 to 7 times as much
as the models- more rain implies more clouds- a negative feedback.

Ahahahahahah.. This is not (Rain+observed)/(Rain+predicted) it is
observed/predicted.

So if Rain = 1 and observed = .00000000001 and predicted = .000000000001
then

(Rain+observed)/(Rain+predicted) = 1

But observed/predicted = 10

Ahahahahahaha... Dividing the differences to make them look dramatically
larger than they are.

First of all , your math is weak. The increase was about 7%, so
using your "reasoning"
the error was between 1.07/1.01 = 1.059 and 1.07/1.03= 1.039, an
error of 3.9% to 5.9%, far larger than your estimated 0.00000000001.
Using the same "reasoning", global temperatures averaged 287 around
1900, and now average 287.7, so the " mesurement error" is only
287.7/287= 0.24%, more than a factor of 10 smaller than the error you
write off- A. McIntire

(childish ad hominem attack deleted)

"ExterminateAllRepubliKKKans"
Ahahahahahaha... Dividing the differences to make them look
dramatically
larger than they are.

wrote
First of all , your math is weak. The increase was about 7%, so
using your "reasoning"
the error was between 1.07/1.01 = 1.059 and 1.07/1.03= 1.039, an
error of 3.9% to 5.9%, far larger than your estimated 0.00000000001.
Using the same "reasoning", global temperatures averaged 287 around
1900, and now average 287.7, so the " mesurement error" is only
287.7/287= 0.24%, more than a factor of 10 smaller than the error you
write off- A. McIntire

Ahahahahahaha... Confirming the fact that you divided the differences to
make them look dramatically
larger than they are.

Lying via stastical abuse is a common tactic among RepubliKKKans.

On Sep 26, 8:30 pm, "HangEveryRepubliKKKan"
wrote:
"ExterminateAllRepubliKKKans"

Ahahahahahaha... Dividing the differences to make them look
dramatically
larger than they are.

wrote

First of all , your math is weak. The increase was about 7%, so
using your "reasoning"
the error was between 1.07/1.01 = 1.059 and 1.07/1.03= 1.039, an
error of 3.9% to 5.9%, far larger than your estimated 0.00000000001.
Using the same "reasoning", global temperatures averaged 287 around
1900, and now average 287.7, so the " mesurement error" is only
287.7/287= 0.24%, more than a factor of 10 smaller than the error you
write off- A. McIntire

"Exterminate" - Your posts are basically so dishonest, psychologically
sick and politically stupid that I shouldn't be responding to them at
all.

I happen to share some of your frustration with the Bush
Administration and in fact with a lot of the Republican Party .

However, it's just idiotic to assume that tens of millions of people
are just the same -- because they happened to vote for the same
political party in the last election.

It's stupid to assume that these people can't change their minds and
vote Democrat or Green or whatever the next time.

And it's stupid to assume that even the Republican pols are never
going to change. This isn't to say that I want to vote for them - but
some of them are no worse than many of the Democrats on a lot of
issues you probably care about.

Including the Iraq War, for one thing. And including government
social spending, if in fact you're in favor of government social
spending. And certainly including global climate change.

Go luck up the GW stance taken by the current Democratic governor of
Montana, Schweitzer I think his name is. His state has lots of coal,
and he wants the coal companies to exploit it in order to produce jobs
and tax revenues for Montana, and so he's enthusiastically pushing for
"clean" coal development.

If you're looking for a state governor with a good record on GW from
an environmentalists's perspective, GOP governor Arnie Schwarznegger
of California is a hell of a lot better than that.

Or go look at the GW politics of Sen. Robert Byrd of coal-dependent
West Virginia sometime. Sen. Byrd was one of the cosponsors of the
Senate resolution in the late 1990s that basically declared that the
US would not ratify the Kyoto Treaty or be bound by it, even after Al
Gore helped to negotiate it.

Or go look at the GW record of Rep. John Dingell of Michigan, the
"Representative from General Motors."

If you want to know why the US can't make at least some progress on
CO2 emissions by ordering the Detroit auto companies to meet higher
corporate fuel economy standards and higher gas mileages for American
made cars -- Dingell is your guy.

If you want to make the case that Democrats like Dingell, Byrd and
Schweitzer are going to do great things on fixing GW while Republicans
like Arnold Schwarznegger are supposedly dragging their feet,
"Exterminate," you're just not dealing with reality.

Which again is not to say that I think enviros should vote Republican,
or that I will. But we need to be honest about this stuff.


As for your whole screen name -- "Exterminate" -- if this isn't
really, really sick, and a little evil, it's stupid. And I think it's
all three - sick, evil and stupid.

It's sociopathological to call for genocide against a whole group of
people -- Republicans, Democrats, or whoever.

And if you're not really sick enough to be sincerely calling for the
"extermination" of all the GOP, then you're just bull****ting us,
which is a waste of time. Go play in heavy traffic, asshole.



On Sep 15, 7:17 pm, "ExterminateAllRepubliKKKans"
wrote:
"john fernbach" wrote

Exterminate -- I agree that the Bush administration is awful; they've
done all of the evil economic deeds you're talking about, and I hope
you and others kick their butts in the next election.

I'm not a U.S. citizen. If I were Bush would already be executed for war
crimes, mass murder and treason.

"john fernbach" wrote

But why don't you stick to the topic of this usenet group, which is
"alt.global-warming"?

Look at the header, this thread is also going to
sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorology, sci.geo.oceanography.

AmeriKKKa is the primary impediment to progress in this world, and once the
AmeriKKKan state has been eradicated, the world and it's environment will be
much better off.

"john fernbach" wrote

When you post a lot of partisan political statements in the
"alt.global-warming" group, you probably are giving a lot of people
the impression that global warming is a
partisan issue --

You don't see any Democrats claiming that it's all a massive conspiracy
perpetrated by virtually all of the worlds scientists. And you don't see
real think tanks (as opposed to industry propaganda organs like the
KKKonservative Heritage Foundation and the CEI) lying to the public in
support of ever higher levels of CO2 emissions.





And it isn't. I wouldn't vote for most of these guys, but there are
Republicans as well as Democrats in the US who are waking up to the
danger of the climate change situation. And, in some cases, to the
economic advantages that their states may gain by moving to address
the climate change and CO2 situation.

Examples of Republicans who have been taking important steps at the
state level to deal with CO2 emissions and climate change now include
Charlie Crist, Republican governor of Florida; Tim Pawlenty, GOP
governor of Florida, and of course California's GOP governor Arnold
Schwarznegger.

On the national level, meanwhile, GOP senator and presidential hopeful
John McCain has been speaking the truth on AGW for some time now, and
has co-sponsored legislation to deal with it.

None of these Republicans is secretly doing "LIB RAL" & Democratic
bidding on this issue, Exterminate. McCain is pretty damned
conservative on most issues, and so apparently is Crist.

But they're also smart enough and honest enough to recognize the
threat that CO2-driven climate change poses to their states, and
indeed to the whole country, and so they're formulating "Republican"
approaches to it.

Given that the American electorate has recently been pretty evenly
divided between Republicans and Democrats, I think you need to be
acknowledging the CLIMATE contributions that these GOP politicians are
making.

Otherwise, you're just playing into the game of the AGW Deniers, and
putting a "Democratic" tag on the issue of climate change that is
guaranteed to keep millions of Americans from taking it seriously.

One day I might run across a RepubliKKKan who isn't a chronic and congenital
Liar.

Until that day - I say Hang the entire lot of the ****ers.

Every filthy one.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"john fernbach" wrote
I happen to share some of your frustration with the Bush
Administration and in fact with a lot of the Republican Party .

However, it's just idiotic to assume that tens of millions of people
are just the same -- because they happened to vote for the same
political party in the last election.

Frustration comes from expecting something to be better than it is, and
because it is not, and because it is inconveniently not, and inconvenient to
change, therefore frustrating.

I am in no way frustrated at anything the failed AmeriKKKan state does.
The path is clear. As a nation you are incompetent losers, who are unable
to rationally govern yourself, and who have taken advantage of the last
european destruction of the last world war to position yourself as a world
power while the other nations rebuilt.

Now that there is real competition you as a nation are unable to compete
and financial collapse is imminent.

We will continue to bury the worthless AmeriKKKan state, and I will
continue to **** on your grave.


"john fernbach" wrote
It's stupid to assume that these people can't change their minds and
vote Democrat or Green or whatever the next time.

56% of you probably will. But 44% of the infected brain tissue will
remain. Putting a bullet into Uncle Sam's brain is the best thing for the
world and for the AmeriKKKan people.


"john fernbach" wrote
And it's stupid to assume that even the Republican pols are never
going to change. This isn't to say that I want to vote for them - but
some of them are no worse than many of the Democrats on a lot of
issues you probably care about.

Quite possibly.

When do you intend to apologize for the invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan,
execute the criminals currently occupying the White House, and pay war
reparations to Iraq and Afghanistan?


"john fernbach" wrote
Go luck up the GW stance taken by the current Democratic governor of
Montana, Schweitzer I think his name is. His state has lots of coal,
and he wants the coal companies to exploit it in order to produce jobs
and tax revenues for Montana, and so he's enthusiastically pushing for
"clean" coal development.

I really don't care about your internal politics. The fact that a
democrat is part of the AmeriKKKan cancer doesn't interest me in the
slightest.


"john fernbach" wrote
If you're looking for a state governor with a good record on GW from
an environmentalists's perspective, GOP governor Arnie Schwarznegger
of California is a hell of a lot better than that.

Probably because he has had a Euro-Education.


"john fernbach" wrote
If you want to know why the US can't make at least some progress on
CO2 emissions by ordering the Detroit auto companies to meet higher
corporate fuel economy standards and higher gas mileages for American
made cars -- Dingell is your guy.

AmeriKKKan made cars are ****boxes. Always have been. The faster U.S.
auto makers are flushed down the toilet the better.

Ultimately the reason why they are **** boxes is because AmeriKKKans are
too stupid to demand improved products. You people have gotten used to
taking it up the ass from AmeriKKKan corporations.


"john fernbach" wrote
As for your whole screen name -- "Exterminate" -- if this isn't
really, really sick, and a little evil, it's stupid. And I think it's
all three - sick, evil and stupid.

A perfect reflection of AmeriKKKan society.

I have never encountered a KKKonservative who wasn't a perpetual liar.
AmeriKKKan KKKonservative or otherwise.


"john fernbach" wrote
It's sociopathological to call for genocide against a whole group of
people -- Republicans, Democrats, or whoever.

And I would personally devote the rest of my life to putting a bullet in
every one of their worthless brains.

I'm quite serious. Give me a shout when AmeriKKKan society collapses into
chaos a few years from now.

You line em up, and I'll do the head shots. Maybe to conserve bullets
I'll use one of those air guns that fire a bolt into cow skulls to kill
them.