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![]() "HangEveryRepubliKKKan" "The decline in global sink efficiency suggests that stabilization of atmospheric CO2 is even more difficult to achieve than previously thought," said one of the study's authors, Corinne Le Quere, in the BAS statement. "Szczepan Białek" wrote Plants needs ALL (not only CO2) elements necessary to growth. CO2 isn't an element. "Szczepan Białek" wrote The SO2 and fly ash are also necessary. Ya, fly ash was in great abundance before the arrival of man. Stupid. |
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![]() "HangEveryRepubliKKKan" wrote ... "HangEveryRepubliKKKan" "The decline in global sink efficiency suggests that stabilization of atmospheric CO2 is even more difficult to achieve than previously thought," said one of the study's authors, Corinne Le Quere, in the BAS statement. "Szczepan Białek" wrote Plants needs ALL (not only CO2) elements necessary to growth. CO2 isn't an element. "Szczepan Białek" wrote The SO2 and fly ash are also necessary. Ya, fly ash was in great abundance before the arrival of man. Stupid. You can easily calculate "The decline in global sink" if you assume that CO2 without the natural constituents of smoke is useless for plants. It is known that the lack of one element restrain growth of plants. So you can calculate the ratio between C and S in the natural smoke and next calculate the quantity of useless CO2 (if you know the total quantity of S removed from smoke). Neglecting that the fly ash are an important fertiliser is not wise. S* |
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"Szczepan BiaÂłek" wrote:
"HangEveryRepubliKKKan" wrote ... "HangEveryRepubliKKKan" "The decline in global sink efficiency suggests that stabilization of atmospheric CO2 is even more difficult to achieve than previously thought," said one of the study's authors, Corinne Le Quere, in the BAS statement. "Szczepan Bia?k" wrote Plants needs ALL (not only CO2) elements necessary to growth. CO2 isn't an element. "Szczepan Bia?k" wrote The SO2 and fly ash are also necessary. Ya, fly ash was in great abundance before the arrival of man. Stupid. You can easily calculate "The decline in global sink" if you assume that CO2 without the natural constituents of smoke is useless for plants. It is known that the lack of one element restrain growth of plants. So you can calculate the ratio between C and S in the natural smoke and next calculate the quantity of useless CO2 (if you know the total quantity of S removed from smoke). Why would you call CO2 useless, it provides the carbon for combining with hydrogen from water to build the hydrocarbons it needs to grow. And most of the oxygen is the only thing that is useless to plant life. |
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![]() "Whata Fool" napisał w wiadomo¶ci ... "Szczepan Bia3ek" wrote: "HangEveryRepubliKKKan" wrote .. . "HangEveryRepubliKKKan" "The decline in global sink efficiency suggests that stabilization of atmospheric CO2 is even more difficult to achieve than previously thought," said one of the study's authors, Corinne Le Quere, in the BAS statement. "Szczepan Bia?k" wrote Plants needs ALL (not only CO2) elements necessary to growth. CO2 isn't an element. "Szczepan Bia?k" wrote The SO2 and fly ash are also necessary. Ya, fly ash was in great abundance before the arrival of man. Stupid. You can easily calculate "The decline in global sink" if you assume that CO2 without the natural constituents of smoke is useless for plants. It is known that. So you can calculate the ratio between C and S in the natural smoke and next calculate the quantity of useless CO2 (if you know the total quantity of S removed from smoke). Why would you call CO2 useless, it provides the carbon for combining with hydrogen from water to build the hydrocarbons it needs to grow. If you burn plants in the natural manner when the ALL CO2 will be used by plants. But if you remove the SO2 and the fly ash from the smoke when only some percent of CO2 will be used by plants (because "the lack of one element restrain growth of plants"). It is the only sensible explanation of the "The decline in global sink" SO2 and fly ash are nutrient for plants. S* |
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"Szczepan BiaÂłek" wrote:
If you burn plants in the natural manner when the ALL CO2 will be used by plants. But if you remove the SO2 and the fly ash from the smoke when only some percent of CO2 will be used by plants (because "the lack of one element restrain growth of plants"). It is the only sensible explanation of the "The decline in global sink" SO2 and fly ash are nutrient for plants. S* I don't think plants are involved in the decline in global sink, it is mostly the ocean that is getting more concentrated CO2 and resists absorbtion of more. And deforestation is another loss of sink, there are less plants in those areas. But with increased CO2, all plants should grow faster or bigger or something better. I am not sure sulphur is needed for plants, but it may affect solar absorption in the atmosphere and may affect the precipitation of clouds into rain. Most plant burning is done in the bellies of animals, which may do a very good job of using all nutrients present. |
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On 24 Oct, 11:15, Whata Fool wrote:
"Szczepan Białek" wrote: If you burn plants in the natural manner when the ALL CO2 will be used by plants. But if you remove the SO2 and the fly ash from the smoke when only some percent of CO2 will be used by plants (because "the lack of one element restrain growth of plants"). It is the only sensible explanation of the "The decline in global sink" SO2 and fly ash are nutrient for plants. S* I don't think plants are involved in the decline in global sink, it is mostly the ocean that is getting more concentrated CO2 and resists absorbtion of more. And deforestation is another loss of sink, there are less plants in those areas. But with increased CO2, all plants should grow faster or bigger or something better. I am not sure sulphur is needed for plants, but it may affect solar absorption in the atmosphere and may affect the precipitation of clouds into rain. Most plant burning is done in the bellies of animals, which may do a very good job of using all nutrients present. Climate myths: Higher CO2 levels will boost plant growth and food production NewScientist.com news service 16 May 2007 David Chandler (extracts) "Some have suggested that the increase in plant growth due to CO2 will be so great that it soaks up much of the extra CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels, significantly slowing climate change. But the levelling- off effect means that plants will not simply soak up ever more CO2. Furthermore, studies of past climate suggest that as the planet warms, the land and oceans will start emitting more CO2 and other greenhouse gases than they absorb. Another complicating factor is ground level ozone due to air pollution, which damages plants. This is expected to rise in many regions over the coming decades and could reduce or even negate the beneficial effects of higher CO2. " "Even if plant growth does rise overall, there could be a decline in biodiversity. Species that thrive on higher CO2 will drive others to extinction. In the long run, this might limit the resiliency of some ecosystems. In addition, fertilisation is just one of carbon dioxide's effects. Increased CO2 causes acidification of water, especially in the oceans. Recent research has shown that the expected doubling of CO2 concentrations could inhibit the development of some calcium-shelled organisms, including phytoplankton, which are at the base of a large and complex marine ecosystem " see:- http://environment.newscientist.com/...change/dn11655 Tree studies using Free Air CO2 Enrichment indicate that most of the carbon uptake is in short-term pools like leaf growth and fine root systems, but not sustained in woody growth. There may be better potential for carbon enrichment of uncultivated grassland soils, but not if they experience prolonged droughts! "Although carbon dioxide fertilization of forests might slow the rate of increase of atmospheric carbon dioxide, a 23 percent increase in productivity is insufficient to stabilize the concentration in the atmosphere," he said. "The increase in productivity demonstrated in these experiments will most likely be tempered by the stresses of climate warming, ozone pollution or insufficient nitrogen supply. In addition, some of the increased organic matter entering the forest is not sequestered in wood but is rapidly returned to the atmosphere. Understanding the controls on carbon processing by ecosystems remains a priority research challenge." Rich Norby, Oak Ridge National Laboratory Tennessee http://www.ornl.gov/info/press_relea...=mr20051207-00 see also:- http://www.esd.ornl.gov/facilities/O...ce-article.pdf http://www.esd.ornl.gov/facilities/O...E/results.html http://www.anl.gov/Media_Center/News...ews051220.html |
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![]() "Whata Fool" Most plant burning is done in the bellies of animals, which may do a very good job of using all nutrients present. The best job do open fires because the nutrients are transfered for long distances. Also birds. S* |
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![]() Understanding the controls on carbon processing by ecosystems remains a priority research challenge." The carbon processing is known sufficiently. The sulphur and the fly ash need serious research. S* |
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![]() "Whata Fool" I am not sure sulphur is needed for plants, but it may affect solar absorption in the atmosphere and may affect the precipitation of clouds into rain. http://www.atmosphere.mpg.de/enid/Nr...cycle_5i9.html http://www.lenntech.com/sulphur-cycle.htm http://www.fao.org/DOCREP/004/Y0906T/y0906t08.htm S* |
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