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On Dec 9, 6:35 pm, Whata Fool wrote:
"Bill Habr" wrote: "Whata Fool" wrote in message .. . "Bill Habr" wrote: It doesn't matter what the other gases in the atmosphere are. Of course it does, what are you, a confusionist? The question was "Can water evaporate in nitrogen atmosphere?" Then your answer should have been Yes, or No. I didn't reply to the question, I replied to your statement, the atmosphere of Earth is essentially a nitrogen atmosphere, but not dry nitrogen. And the question of the various gases is of some importance, because the presumption of CO2 existing separate of water and water vapor in the Earth's nitrogen atmosphere may need to be re-examined to see why the climate change doesn't seem to track the CO2 concentration, and why the CO2 concentration does not reflect the amount emitted by man burning fossil fuel. WF. You should see in this also that the water forms calthrates with CO2. Because of this and many other reasons, a rainforest, it does not become carbon neutral for the carbon it absorbs and releases with decomposition, but remains the most effective absrober of CO2 and converter to oxygen. It cannot be denied that at least part of the measured yearly CO2 increase is from natural causes. Perhaps even that it is about 900 yrs since the very intense warming of the medieaval warm period (which is the normal time that CO2 begins to rise after warming period), or the natural upswing in temperatures coming after the little ice age which may affect the vapor equilibrium with the ocean or the greater metabolism in unfrozen tundra. That the CO2 concentrations in the atmosphere remain the same regardless of human input, suggests that it is indeed the natural CO2 increase and the deforestation that is responsible for almost all of this increase. The actual quantities of human contribution are very small. Nature converts 440 billion tons of CO2 to oxygen each year. The ocean absorbs 300 billion tons and emits 300 billion tons in equilibrium of vapor pressure. The overall natural CO2 in the environment is much higher than this. Humans contribution is about 26 billion tons (of which nearly 1/4 is from the actual burning of the tropical jungles), and there is no measurable change in the increase that reflects the doulbling of human CO2 within the past 40 yrs or so. The whole analysis of CO2 from AGW is flawed, deceitful, fraudulent and criminal. Here is an analysis of AGW and it's academic and political substance, from one of the very foremost scientists of the field of ice cores and their chemical analsyis. http://www.john-daly.com/zjiceco2.htm That they even get away with their shifting of the ice core years is a total joke. People are awfully naive, but at some point very simple direct science will demonstrate this fraud and the willingness of the academics and accredited scientific organizations to support this fraud regardless of actual science or fact. Here is a spread sheet from which they derive the 'hockey stick' for CO2 concentrations caused by humans. http://cdiac.ornl.gov/ftp/trends/co2...e.combined.dat The data is smoothed, but is also chosen from other data for it's depiction of the curve they are looking for . There is no justification for the ****f in year for 'mean air age'. The ice is not permeable for this transfer to the surface of concentrations through even 1 layer of the ice. This false representation of CO2, is repeated by everyone. But those that repeat this as testimony to the government should be held liable for very serious criminal fraud. KDeatherage CO2Phobia is a dangerous and fatal disease like rabies. |
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![]() wrote in message ... On Dec 9, 6:02 pm, Eric Gisse wrote: On Dec 9, 2:50 pm, "Bill Habr" wrote: "Whata Fool" wrote in message .. . "Bill Habr" wrote: It doesn't matter what the other gases in the atmosphere are. Of course it does, what are you, a confusionist? The question was "Can water evaporate in nitrogen atmosphere?" [...] ...and the answer is: "Yes, and you are stupid if you even have to ask." The answer is that according to the theoretical perspective of AGW which is that N2 and O2 are transparent and non-reactive to infrareds, the answer is NO. So according to you if the theoretical perspective of anthropogenic global warming is real then it is impossible for the earth to be as warm as it is? There is not enough energy in the molecular motions of these gases to transfer the quantitiy of energy that must be absorbed as the water molecules become independent molecules and absorb the energy of the bond state of the liquid. Evaporation and condensation depend on the temperature and the pressure of water vapor. If the atmosphere were 100% water vapor, evaporation and condensation would still depend on the temperature and the pressure of water vapor. If the atmosphere were 99.99% nitrogen and .01%, evaporation and condensation would still depend on the temperature and the pressure of water vapor. Heat is the transfer of energy by radiation, conduction and convection. If the gases are well mixed then the temperture of the atmosphere will be very close to the temperature of the individual gases. The atmosphere's pressure is a sum of the pressures of the gases. The linear kinetic energy of the velocities of the molecules of 1 mole of gas is RT. Therefore this denotes the pressure the gas exerts, P = RT. If one divides this number by the number of molecules, one gets the 'average kinetic energy' of the moleules which is Boltzman's constant or kT. The heat capacity of a substance is almost entirely the kinetic energy of the linear motion and of the other motions of the mass of the molecules, such as rotational and vibrational. This is proved by the heat capacities of gases. Monatomic gases all have exactly the same heat capacity of 3/2 R. Symetrical diatoms have almost the same heat capacity of 5/2R. Non- symmetrical diatoms all have unique heat capacity according to their individual spin and absorption of kinetic energy. CO2 is symmetrical and has the predictable heat capacity of 7/2 R @cv. Facts and AGW theoretical science often do not coincide. But this is not important in theoretical science and the domination of beliefs of the little brats and liars of academic. Google, 'When the **** hits the Gdamn fan', dishonest brats. KD |
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On Dec 10, 5:19 am, wrote:
On Dec 9, 6:02 pm, Eric Gisse wrote: On Dec 9, 2:50 pm, "Bill Habr" wrote: "Whata Fool" wrote in message .. . "Bill Habr" wrote: It doesn't matter what the other gases in the atmosphere are. Of course it does, what are you, a confusionist? The question was "Can water evaporate in nitrogen atmosphere?" [...] S ...and the answer is: "Yes, and you are stupid if you even have to ask." The answer is that according to the theoretical perspective of AGW which is that N2 and O2 are transparent and non-reactive to infrareds, the answer is NO. *scratches head* So...because the dominant components of the atmosphere are transparent to a range of frequencies that water absorbs, it is impossible for water to absorb them and thus evaporate? Yea, I'll admit to not understanding what the hell you are talking about. There is not enough energy in the molecular motions of these gases to transfer the quantitiy of energy that must be absorbed as the water molecules become independent molecules and absorb the energy of the bond state of the liquid. I'd hate to interrupt the beating of the straw man, but who ever said convection of heat by the atmosphere was the dominant means by which water is heated? Think of the consequences of what you just spewed. The dominant components of the atmosphere are transparent to the wavelengths of light that water _loves_ to absorb. What would be the consequence of that? I'm thinking evaporation, but I'm sure you have a deeper truth in mind. The linear kinetic energy of the velocities of the molecules of 1 mole of gas is RT. Therefore this denotes the pressure the gas exerts, P = RT. If one divides this number by the number of molecules, one gets the 'average kinetic energy' of the moleules which is Boltzman's constant or kT. The heat capacity of a substance is almost entirely the kinetic energy of the linear motion and of the other motions of the mass of the molecules, such as rotational and vibrational. Thank you for the freshman thermodynamics lecture. This is proved by the heat capacities of gases. Monatomic gases all have exactly the same heat capacity of 3/2 R. This is only approximately true. Symetrical diatoms have almost the same heat capacity of 5/2R. Non- symmetrical diatoms all have unique heat capacity according to their individual spin and absorption of kinetic energy. CO2 is symmetrical and has the predictable heat capacity of 7/2 R @cv. Again, only approximately true. Facts and AGW theoretical science often do not coincide. But this is not important in theoretical science and the domination of beliefs of the little brats and liars of academic. Wake me when you are able to demonstrate an understanding of the material you routinely spew. Google, 'When the **** hits the Gdamn fan', dishonest brats. KD |
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Kurt Lochner wrote:
"death_rage" continued whining at: [...] Example follow.. A Watt is not a unit of energy [..] Oh yes it is.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt It's somewhat disturbing that Kurt's main reference seems to be Wikipedia. [...] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28physics%29 [...] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan-Boltzmann_law Cheers, Rich |
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Kurt Lochner restored the previous bitch-slappings of: "death_rage" continued whining at: Kurt Lochner was laughing at the intentional ignorance exhibited by: "death_rage" was still writhing in denials: John M. replied to: On Dec 22, 6:05 pm, Kurt Lochner was laughing at: "death_rage" writhed in denials: Blah-blah-blah.. The same force applied to heavy truck as a small car, will cause the vehicles to absorb the same kinetic energy. The truck will be moving faster than the lighter car, Nope.. You suck pretty bad at physics, still.. --Why do you continue to embarrass yourself like this? One suspects he doesn't realise it. My how you can deduce that [..] Yeah, just from your usual mistakes in judgment, owing to your abject lack of any formal education in science.. Example follow.. A Watt is not a unit of energy [..] Oh yes it is.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt "The watt (symbol: W) is the SI derived unit of power, equal to one joule of energy per second." the concept of 'power' also does not refer to a quantity of energy [..] Oh yes it does.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28physics%29 "In physics, power (symbol: P) is the rate at which work is performed or energy is transmitted, or the amount of energy required or expended for a given unit of time." Even by your definition,[..] It's not "my definition" you blundering idiot.. Boltzman Stefan equation refers to a density of energy. You don't know enough about physics to even begin to quote the Stefan-Boltzman equation, much less get the name correct! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan-Boltzmann_law "The Stefan-Boltzmann law, also known as Stefan's law, states that the total energy radiated per unit surface area of a black body in unit time (known variously as the black-body irradiance, energy flux density, radiant flux, or the emissive power), j*, is directly proportional to the fourth power of the black body's thermodynamic temperature T (also called absolute temperature)" That's "energy radiated per unit surface area", dipwad.. the charalatans of AGW, who also do not theoretically abide within the Law of the Conservation of Energy in their postulation. Nope, that would be your 'global warming denialists' who try to ignore the thermodynamic effects of dumping waste heat and carbon emissions into the lower atmosphere at the rate of 70 million tons a day, with no consequences.. Now that is funny, fartated out[..] I see that you have similar difficulties with English, as well as general scientific principles and physics.. You're 0 for 3 here, dipwad dundee.. Well as one who claims proficiency in physics [..] That certainly couldn't be yourself.. *LOL!* It's somewhat disturbing that Kurt's main reference seems to be Wikipedia. Aww, and here I was trying to be charitable about how your intentional ignorance might be cured by easy to read quotes from a fairly reliable source of physics definitions.. It's not like you right-wingers can accurately quote anything past your usual grade-school comprehensions.. Yeah, never mind that Kent Dethridge repeatedly fscked-up his own 'scientific terms' about "energy" and "power", much less the reference to the Stefan Boltzman equation.. And here's the first mistake Kent was trying to run away from.. "The same force applied to heavy truck as a small car, will cause the vehicles to absorb the same kinetic energy. The truck will be moving faster than the lighter car" Yeah, some 'typo' that was.. --See subject header for details.. |
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Kurt Lochner wrote:
'bitch' deleted and bleated at: Kurt shows his credentials in identity politics. Nice job. It's somewhat disturbing that Kurt's main reference seems to be Wikipedia. Aww, and here I was trying to be charitable about how your intentional ignorance might be cured by easy to read quotes from a fairly reliable source of physics definitions.. The reliability of wikipedia is pretty well established nowadays, some colleges now refuse to accept it as source material. There are better sources for this kind of stuff anyway, wolfram is a good place to start. It's not like you right-wingers can accurately quote anything past your usual grade-school comprehensions.. I've not seen an AGW believer who can accurately quote. What do you do when the truth won't serve? Making something up seems to be the AGW policy. Happy Holidaze, Rich |
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'bitch' deleted and bleated at:
Kurt Lochner restored the hilarious bitch-slappings of: 'bitch' deleted and bleated at: Kurt Lochner restored the previous bitch-slappings of: "death_rage" continued whining at: Kurt Lochner was laughing at the intentional ignorance exhibited by: "death_rage" was still writhing in denials: John M. replied to: On Dec 22, 6:05 pm, Kurt Lochner was laughing at: "death_rage" writhed in denials: Blah-blah-blah.. The same force applied to heavy truck as a small car, will cause the vehicles to absorb the same kinetic energy. The truck will be moving faster than the lighter car, Nope.. You suck pretty bad at physics, still.. --Why do you continue to embarrass yourself like this? One suspects he doesn't realise it. My how you can deduce that [..] Yeah, just from your usual mistakes in judgment, owing to your abject lack of any formal education in science.. Example follow.. A Watt is not a unit of energy [..] Oh yes it is.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt "The watt (symbol: W) is the SI derived unit of power, equal to one joule of energy per second." the concept of 'power' also does not refer to a quantity of energy [..] Oh yes it does.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28physics%29 "In physics, power (symbol: P) is the rate at which work is performed or energy is transmitted, or the amount of energy required or expended for a given unit of time." Even by your definition,[..] It's not "my definition" you blundering idiot.. Boltzman Stefan equation refers to a density of energy. You don't know enough about physics to even begin to quote the Stefan-Boltzman equation, much less get the name correct! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan-Boltzmann_law "The Stefan-Boltzmann law, also known as Stefan's law, states that the total energy radiated per unit surface area of a black body in unit time (known variously as the black-body irradiance, energy flux density, radiant flux, or the emissive power), j*, is directly proportional to the fourth power of the black body's thermodynamic temperature T (also called absolute temperature)" That's "energy radiated per unit surface area", dipwad.. the charalatans of AGW, who also do not theoretically abide within the Law of the Conservation of Energy in their postulation. Nope, that would be your 'global warming denialists' who try to ignore the thermodynamic effects of dumping waste heat and carbon emissions into the lower atmosphere at the rate of 70 million tons a day, with no consequences.. Now that is funny, fartated out[..] I see that you have similar difficulties with English, as well as general scientific principles and physics.. You're 0 for 3 here, dipwad dundee.. Well as one who claims proficiency in physics [..] That certainly couldn't be yourself.. *LOL!* It's somewhat disturbing that Kurt's main reference seems to be Wikipedia. Aww, and here I was trying to be charitable about how your intentional ignorance might be cured by easy to read quotes from a fairly reliable source of physics definitions.. The reliability of wikipedia is pretty well established nowadays, some colleges now refuse to accept it as source material. Henh! Well, it's not like I think of right-wingers as literate enough for anything more than a quick wiki reference. Other than than your reference to wolfram, I see no need to meticulously quote higher educational sources for you right-wing denialists.. It's not like you right-wingers can accurately quote anything past your usual grade-school comprehensions.. Yeah, never mind that Kent Dethridge repeatedly fscked-up his own 'scientific terms' about "energy" and "power", much less the reference to the Stefan Boltzman equation.. And here's the first mistake Kent was trying to run away from.. "The same force applied to heavy truck as a small car, will cause the vehicles to absorb the same kinetic energy. The truck will be moving faster than the lighter car" Yeah, some 'typo' that was.. I've not seen an AGW believer who can accurately qu[..] Maybe you need to pull your head out, and smell the textbooks.. --See subject header for details.. |
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Kurt Lochner wrote:
'bitch' deleted and bleated at: [... dead text cut ] Do you spammers get paid by the word or what? The reliability of wikipedia is pretty well established nowadays, some colleges now refuse to accept it as source material. Henh! Well, it's not like I think of right-wingers as literate enough for anything more than a quick wiki reference. The reflection is on you, not some unspecified 'they'. Other than than your reference to wolfram, I see no need to meticulously quote higher educational sources for you right-wing denialists.. Clearly you can't use your own words. It's not like you right-wingers can accurately quote anything past your usual grade-school comprehensions.. Yeah, never mind that Kent Dethridge repeatedly fscked-up his own 'scientific terms' about "energy" and "power", much less the reference to the Stefan Boltzman equation.. And here's the first mistake Kent was trying to run away from.. "The same force applied to heavy truck as a small car, will cause the vehicles to absorb the same kinetic energy. The truck will be moving faster than the lighter car" Yeah, some 'typo' that was.. I've not seen an AGW believer who can accurately qu[..] Maybe you need to pull your head out, and smell the textbooks.. It did not work for that, that's clear. Cheers, Rich --See subject header for details.. |
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Kurt Lochner restored the hilarious bitch-slappings of: 'bitch' deleted and bleated at: Kurt Lochner restored the hilarious bitch-slappings of: 'bitch' deleted and bleated at: Kurt Lochner restored the previous bitch-slappings of: "death_rage" continued whining at: Kurt Lochner was laughing at the intentional ignorance exhibited by: "death_rage" was still writhing in denials: John M. replied to: On Dec 22, 6:05 pm, Kurt Lochner was laughing at: "death_rage" writhed in denials: Blah-blah-blah.. The same force applied to heavy truck as a small car, will cause the vehicles to absorb the same kinetic energy. The truck will be moving faster than the lighter car, Nope.. You suck pretty bad at physics, still.. --Why do you continue to embarrass yourself like this? One suspects he doesn't realise it. My how you can deduce that [..] Yeah, just from your usual mistakes in judgment, owing to your abject lack of any formal education in science.. Example follow.. A Watt is not a unit of energy [..] Oh yes it is.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watt "The watt (symbol: W) is the SI derived unit of power, equal to one joule of energy per second." the concept of 'power' also does not refer to a quantity of energy [..] Oh yes it does.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28physics%29 "In physics, power (symbol: P) is the rate at which work is performed or energy is transmitted, or the amount of energy required or expended for a given unit of time." Even by your definition,[..] It's not "my definition" you blundering idiot.. Boltzman Stefan equation refers to a density of energy. You don't know enough about physics to even begin to quote the Stefan-Boltzman equation, much less get the name correct! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan-Boltzmann_law "The Stefan-Boltzmann law, also known as Stefan's law, states that the total energy radiated per unit surface area of a black body in unit time (known variously as the black-body irradiance, energy flux density, radiant flux, or the emissive power), j*, is directly proportional to the fourth power of the black body's thermodynamic temperature T (also called absolute temperature)" That's "energy radiated per unit surface area", dipwad.. [... dead text cut ] Evasions noted.. Example follows.. Do you spammers get paid by the word or what? *LOL!* Your evasions speak volumes about you, bitch.. Examples follow.. the charalatans of AGW, who also do not theoretically abide within the Law of the Conservation of Energy in their postulation. Nope, that would be your 'global warming denialists' who try to ignore the thermodynamic effects of dumping waste heat and carbon emissions into the lower atmosphere at the rate of 70 million tons a day, with no consequences.. Now that is funny, fartated out[..] I see that you have similar difficulties with English, as well as general scientific principles and physics.. You're 0 for 3 here, dipwad dundee.. Well as one who claims proficiency in physics [..] That certainly couldn't be yourself.. *LOL!* It's somewhat disturbing that Kurt's main reference seems to be Wikipedia. Aww, and here I was trying to be charitable about how your intentional ignorance might be cured by easy to read quotes from a fairly reliable source of physics definitions.. The reliability of wikipedia is pretty well established nowadays, some colleges now refuse to accept it as source material. Henh! Well, it's not like I think of right-wingers as literate enough for anything more than a quick wiki reference. Other than than your reference to wolfram, I see no need to meticulously quote higher educational sources for you right-wing denialists.. The reflection is on you, not some unspecified 'they'. No "unspecified they" to it, bitch. I think of you as being inarticulate and unlearned of science and physics. You can pretend all you want to to the contrary, it will not change my assessment of your pseudo-intellectual prowess.. *LOL!* Clearly you can't use your own words. Clearly you have a lot of cognitive difficulties accepting the fact that I do not share your intentional ignorance of science and physics.. To paraphrase, I can put numbers to the subject and you obviously will not.. It's not like you right-wingers can accurately quote anything past your usual grade-school comprehensions.. Yeah, never mind that Kent Dethridge repeatedly fscked-up his own 'scientific terms' about "energy" and "power", much less the reference to the Stefan Boltzman equation.. And here's the first mistake Kent was trying to run away from.. "The same force applied to heavy truck as a small car, will cause the vehicles to absorb the same kinetic energy. The truck will be moving faster than the lighter car" Yeah, some 'typo' that was.. I've not seen an AGW believer who can accurately qu[..] Maybe you need to pull your head out, and smell the textbooks.. It did not work [..] Okay, then you're just going to have to live with the fact that someone else may have studied science and physics for a great deal longer than you have.. And as a result, I don't believe anything you've said about science. "global warming" or physics to be accurate, or even close to the facts. Please pretend that your assumptions are unquestionable with someone else. I'm not buying into your silly lies and evasions, and I'm certain that you could do better if you'd quit that pompous primate reaction of your to ideas that don't agree with your feeble, uninformed and uneducated opinions about global warming and science in general.. --Merry Christmas, by the way.. |
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