http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...d-is-near.aspx

October 2, 2009, 17:26:00 | NP Editor
The media, polls and even scientists suggest the global warming scare is all over but the shouting
By Lawrence Solomon

The great global warming scare is over - it is well past its peak, very much a spent force,
sputtering in fits and starts to a whimpering end. You may not know this yet. Or rather, you may
know it but don't want to acknowledge it until every one else does, and that won't happen until the
press, much of which also knows it, formally acknowledges it.

I know that the global warming scare is over but for the shouting because that's what the polls
show, at least those in the U.S., where unlike Canada the public is polled extensively on global
warming. Most Americans don't blame humans for climate change - they consider global warming to be
a natural phenomenon. Even when the polls showed the public believed man was responsible for global
warming, the public didn't take the scare seriously. When asked to rank global warming's importance
compared to numerous other concerns - unemployment, trade, health care, poverty, crime, and
education among them - global warming came in dead last. Fewer than 1% chose global warming as
scare-worthy.

The informed members of the media read those polls and know the global warming scare is over, too.
Andrew Revkin, The New York Times reporter entrusted with the global warming scare beat, has for
months lamented "the public's waning interest in global warming." His colleague at The Washington
Post, Andrew Freedman, does his best to revive public fear, and to get politicians to act, by
urging experts to up their hype so that the press will have scarier material to run with.

The experts do their best to give us the willies. This week they offered up plagues of locusts in
China and a warning that the 2016 Olympics "could be the last for mankind" because "the earth has
passed the point of no return." But the press has also begun to tire of Armageddon All-The-Time,
and (I believe) to position itself for its inevitable attack on the doomsters. In an online article
in June entitled "Massive Estimates of Death are in Vogue for Copenhagen," Richard Cable of the
BBC, until then the most stalwart of scare-mongers, rattled off the global warnings du jour - they
included a comparison of global warming to nuclear war and a report from the former Secretary
General of the UN, Kofi Annan, to the effect that "every year climate change leaves over 300,000
people dead, 325-million people seriously affected, and economic losses of US $125-billion."
Cable's
conclusion: "The problem is that once you've sat up and paid attention enough to examine them a bit
more closely, you find that the means by which the figures were arrived at isn't very compelling.
The report contains so many extrapolations derived from guesswork based on estimates inferred from
unsuitable data."

The scientist-scare-mongers, seeing the diminishing returns that come of their escalating claims of
catastrophe, also know their stock is falling. Until now, they have all toughed it out when the
data disagreed with their findings - as it does on every major climate issue, without exception.
Some scientists, like Germany's Mojib Latif, have begun to break ranks. Frustrated by embarrassing
questions about why the world hasn't seen any warming over the last decade, Latif, a tireless
veteran of the public speaking circuits, now explains that global warming has paused, to resume in
2020 or perhaps 2030. "People understand what I'm saying but then basically wind up saying, 'We
don't
believe anything,'" he told The New York Times this week.

And why should they believe anything that comes from the global warming camp? Not only has the
globe not warmed over the last decade but the Arctic ice is returning, the Antarctic isn't
shrinking, polar bear populations aren't diminishing, hurricanes aren't becoming more extreme. The
only thing that's scary about the science is the frequency with which doomsayer data is hidden from
public scrutiny, manipulated to mislead, or simply made up.

None of this matters anymore, I recently heard at the Global Business Forum in Banff, where a
fellow panelist from the Pew Centre on Global Climate Change told the audience that, while she
couldn't dispute the claims I had made about the science being dubious, the rights and wrongs in
the global warming debate are no longer relevant. "The train has left the station," she cheerily
told the business audience, meaning that the debate is over, global warming regulations are coming
in, and everyone in the room - primarily business movers and shakers from Western Canada - had
better learn to adapt.

Her advice was well accepted, chiefly because most in the room had already adapted - they are busy
trying to cash in by obtaining carbon subsidies, building nuclear plants, or providing services to
the new carbon economy.

My assessment for those wondering where we're at: Yes, the train left the station some time ago.
And it is now off the rails.

Financial Post

On Oct 2, 7:34*pm, "Eric Gisin" wrote:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...chive/2009/10/...

October 2, 2009, 17:26:00 | NP Editor
The media, polls and even scientists suggest the global warming scare is all over but the shouting
By Lawrence Solomon

The great global warming scare is over - it is well past its peak, very much a spent force,
sputtering in fits and starts to a whimpering end. You may not know this yet. Or rather, you may
know it but don't want to acknowledge it until every one else does, and that won't happen until the
press, much of which also knows it, formally acknowledges it.

I know that the global warming scare is over but for the shouting because that's what the polls
show, at least those in the U.S., where unlike Canada the public is polled extensively on global
warming. Most Americans don't blame humans for climate change - they consider global warming to be
a natural phenomenon. Even when the polls showed the public believed man was responsible for global
warming, the public didn't take the scare seriously. When asked to rank global warming's importance
compared to numerous other concerns - unemployment, trade, health care, poverty, crime, and
education among them - global warming came in dead last. Fewer than 1% chose global warming as
scare-worthy.

The informed members of the media read those polls and know the global warming scare is over, too.
Andrew Revkin, The New York Times reporter entrusted with the global warming scare beat, has for
months lamented "the public's waning interest in global warming." His colleague at The Washington
Post, Andrew Freedman, does his best to revive public fear, and to get politicians to act, by
urging experts to up their hype so that the press will have scarier material to run with.

The experts do their best to give us the willies. This week they offered up plagues of locusts in
China and a warning that the 2016 Olympics "could be the last for mankind" because "the earth has
passed the point of no return." But the press has also begun to tire of Armageddon All-The-Time,
and (I believe) to position itself for its inevitable attack on the doomsters. In an online article
in June entitled "Massive Estimates of Death are in Vogue for Copenhagen," Richard Cable of the
BBC, until then the most stalwart of scare-mongers, rattled off the global warnings du jour - they
included a comparison of global warming to nuclear war and a report from the former Secretary
General of the UN, Kofi Annan, to the effect that "every year climate change leaves over 300,000
people dead, 325-million people seriously affected, and economic losses of US $125-billion."
Cable's
conclusion: "The problem is that once you've sat up and paid attention enough to examine them a bit
more closely, you find that the means by which the figures were arrived at isn't very compelling.
The report contains so many extrapolations derived from guesswork based on estimates inferred from
unsuitable data."

The scientist-scare-mongers, seeing the diminishing returns that come of their escalating claims of
catastrophe, also know their stock is falling. Until now, they have all toughed it out when the
data disagreed with their findings - as it does on every major climate issue, without exception.
Some scientists, like Germany's Mojib Latif, have begun to break ranks. Frustrated by embarrassing
questions about why the world hasn't seen any warming over the last decade, Latif, a tireless
veteran of the public speaking circuits, now explains that global warming has paused, to resume in
2020 or perhaps 2030. "People understand what I'm saying but then basically wind up saying, 'We
don't
believe anything,'" he told The New York Times this week.

And why should they believe anything that comes from the global warming camp? Not only has the
globe not warmed over the last decade but the Arctic ice is returning, the Antarctic isn't
shrinking, polar bear populations aren't diminishing, hurricanes aren't becoming more extreme. The
only thing that's scary about the science is the frequency with which doomsayer data is hidden from
public scrutiny, manipulated to mislead, or simply made up.

None of this matters anymore, I recently heard at the Global Business Forum in Banff, where a
fellow panelist from the Pew Centre on Global Climate Change told the audience that, while she
couldn't dispute the claims I had made about the science being dubious, the rights and wrongs in
the global warming debate are no longer relevant. "The train has left the station," she cheerily
told the business audience, meaning that the debate is over, global warming regulations are coming
in, and everyone in the room - primarily business movers and shakers from Western Canada - had
better learn to adapt.

Her advice was well accepted, chiefly because most in the room had already adapted - they are busy
trying to cash in by obtaining carbon subsidies, building nuclear plants, or providing services to
the new carbon economy.

My assessment for those wondering where we're at: Yes, the train left the station some time ago.
And it is now off the rails.

Financial Post


laughing, he is so emotional...

columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote:
On Oct 2, 7:34 pm, "Eric Gisin" wrote:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...chive/2009/10/...

October 2, 2009, 17:26:00 | NP Editor
The media, polls and even scientists suggest the global warming
scare is all over but the shouting By Lawrence Solomon

The great global warming scare is over - it is well past its peak,
very much a spent force, sputtering in fits and starts to a
whimpering end. You may not know this yet. Or rather, you may know
it but don't want to acknowledge it until every one else does, and
that won't happen until the press, much of which also knows it,
formally acknowledges it.

I know that the global warming scare is over but for the shouting
because that's what the polls show, at least those in the U.S.,
where unlike Canada the public is polled extensively on global
warming. Most Americans don't blame humans for climate change - they
consider global warming to be a natural phenomenon. Even when the
polls showed the public believed man was responsible for global
warming, the public didn't take the scare seriously. When asked to
rank global warming's importance compared to numerous other concerns
- unemployment, trade, health care, poverty, crime, and education
among them - global warming came in dead last. Fewer than 1% chose
global warming as scare-worthy.

The informed members of the media read those polls and know the
global warming scare is over, too. Andrew Revkin, The New York Times
reporter entrusted with the global warming scare beat, has for
months lamented "the public's waning interest in global warming."
His colleague at The Washington Post, Andrew Freedman, does his best
to revive public fear, and to get politicians to act, by urging
experts to up their hype so that the press will have scarier
material to run with.

The experts do their best to give us the willies. This week they
offered up plagues of locusts in China and a warning that the 2016
Olympics "could be the last for mankind" because "the earth has
passed the point of no return." But the press has also begun to tire
of Armageddon All-The-Time, and (I believe) to position itself for
its inevitable attack on the doomsters. In an online article in June
entitled "Massive Estimates of Death are in Vogue for Copenhagen,"
Richard Cable of the BBC, until then the most stalwart of
scare-mongers, rattled off the global warnings du jour - they
included a comparison of global warming to nuclear war and a report
from the former Secretary General of the UN, Kofi Annan, to the
effect that "every year climate change leaves over 300,000 people
dead, 325-million people seriously affected, and economic losses of
US $125-billion." Cable's
conclusion: "The problem is that once you've sat up and paid
attention enough to examine them a bit more closely, you find that
the means by which the figures were arrived at isn't very
compelling. The report contains so many extrapolations derived from
guesswork based on estimates inferred from unsuitable data."

The scientist-scare-mongers, seeing the diminishing returns that
come of their escalating claims of catastrophe, also know their
stock is falling. Until now, they have all toughed it out when the
data disagreed with their findings - as it does on every major
climate issue, without exception. Some scientists, like Germany's
Mojib Latif, have begun to break ranks. Frustrated by embarrassing
questions about why the world hasn't seen any warming over the last
decade, Latif, a tireless veteran of the public speaking circuits,
now explains that global warming has paused, to resume in 2020 or
perhaps 2030. "People understand what I'm saying but then basically
wind up saying, 'We don't
believe anything,'" he told The New York Times this week.

And why should they believe anything that comes from the global
warming camp? Not only has the globe not warmed over the last decade
but the Arctic ice is returning, the Antarctic isn't shrinking,
polar bear populations aren't diminishing, hurricanes aren't
becoming more extreme. The only thing that's scary about the science
is the frequency with which doomsayer data is hidden from public
scrutiny, manipulated to mislead, or simply made up.

None of this matters anymore, I recently heard at the Global
Business Forum in Banff, where a fellow panelist from the Pew Centre
on Global Climate Change told the audience that, while she couldn't
dispute the claims I had made about the science being dubious, the
rights and wrongs in the global warming debate are no longer
relevant. "The train has left the station," she cheerily told the
business audience, meaning that the debate is over, global warming
regulations are coming in, and everyone in the room - primarily
business movers and shakers from Western Canada - had better learn
to adapt.

Her advice was well accepted, chiefly because most in the room had
already adapted - they are busy trying to cash in by obtaining
carbon subsidies, building nuclear plants, or providing services to
the new carbon economy.

My assessment for those wondering where we're at: Yes, the train
left the station some time ago. And it is now off the rails.

Financial Post


laughing, he is so emotional...

Thanks for you interest Eliza.

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:34:09 -0700, Eric Gisin wrote:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...d-is-near.aspx

October 2, 2009, 17:26:00 | NP Editor
The media, polls and even scientists suggest the global warming scare is all over but the shouting
By Lawrence Solomon

I think the Denialists have modeled themselves on the Iraqi Information
Minister. Remmeber that guy?

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

"In an age of spin, al-Sahaf offers feeling and authenticity. His message
is consistent -- unshakeable, in fact, no matter the evidence -- but he
commands daily attention by his on-the-spot, invective-rich variations on
the theme. His lunatic counterfactual art is more appealing than the banal
awfulness of the Reliable Sources. He is a Method actor in a production
that will close in a couple of days. He stands superior to truth."

On Oct 2, 11:48*pm, Bob Lee Swagger wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:34:09 -0700, Eric Gisin wrote:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...chive/2009/10/...

October 2, 2009, 17:26:00 | NP Editor
The media, polls and even scientists suggest the global warming scare is all over but the shouting
By Lawrence Solomon

I think the Denialists have modeled themselves on the Iraqi Information
Minister. Remmeber that guy?

•• Go home and bury your head in the sand, fool!!

Bob Lee Swagger wrote

I think the Denialists have modeled themselves on the Iraqi Information
Minister. Remmeber that guy?

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/


Yes, they must be fond of Bagdhad Bob.

Denialists are defined as people who deney the facts.

Skeptics are not the same.

Soloman is a denier. When he writes a peer reviewed paper that dis proves the
proof, let him do so.

Until then? He's a Denier.

On Oct 2, 11:59*pm, Nick Backlash wrote:
Bob Lee Swagger wrote



I think the Denialists have modeled themselves on the Iraqi Information
Minister. Remmeber that guy?

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

Yes, they must be fond of Bagdhad Bob.

Denialists are defined as people who deney the facts.

Skeptics are not the same.

Soloman is a denier. * When he writes a peer reviewed paper that dis proves the
proof, let him do so.

Until then? *He's a Denier.

•• None of the papers in Nature and/or Science by
IPCC people were peer reviewed, starting with
Mann

––*––
Either way short term or long term the data
doesn't support man made global warming?

short term
http://junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/RSSglobe.html
long term
http://junkscience.com/MSU_Temps/Moberg2005.html

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 20:57:29 -0700 (PDT), Last Post wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:48Â*pm, Bob Lee Swagger wrote:
On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 19:34:09 -0700, Eric Gisin wrote:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...chive/2009/10/...

October 2, 2009, 17:26:00 | NP Editor
The media, polls and even scientists suggest the global warming scare is all over but the shouting
By Lawrence Solomon

I think the Denialists have modeled themselves on the Iraqi Information
Minister. Remmeber that guy?

•• Go home and bury your head in the sand, fool!!

"Now even the American command is under siege. We are hitting it from the
north, east, south and west. We chase them here and they chase us there.
But at the end we are the people who are laying siege to them. And it is
not them who are besieging us." - Mohammed Saeed al-Sahaf

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:09:44 -0700 (PDT), Last Post wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:59Â*pm, Nick Backlash wrote:
Bob Lee Swagger wrote



I think the Denialists have modeled themselves on the Iraqi Information
Minister. Remmeber that guy?

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

Yes, they must be fond of Bagdhad Bob.

Denialists are defined as people who deney the facts.

Skeptics are not the same.

Soloman is a denier. Â* When he writes a peer reviewed paper that dis proves the
proof, let him do so.

Until then? Â*He's a Denier.

••Â*You are so full of **** you ...!
You are the denialist/denier by your own definition


"I have detailed information about the situation...which completely proves
that what they allege are illusions . . . They lie every day." - Mohammed
Saeed al-Sahaf

On Fri, 2 Oct 2009 21:19:15 -0700 (PDT), Last Post wrote:

On Oct 2, 11:59Â*pm, Nick Backlash wrote:
Bob Lee Swagger wrote



I think the Denialists have modeled themselves on the Iraqi Information
Minister. Remmeber that guy?

http://www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com/

Yes, they must be fond of Bagdhad Bob.

Denialists are defined as people who deney the facts.

Skeptics are not the same.

Soloman is a denier. Â* When he writes a peer reviewed paper that dis proves the
proof, let him do so.

Until then? Â*He's a Denier.

•• None of the papers in Nature and/or Science by
IPCC people were peer reviewed, starting with
Mann

"I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in
appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are
pretending things which have never taken place." - Mohammed
Saeed al-Sahaf