Pete wrote:
Chom Noamsky wrote
Pete wrote:
Chom Noamsky wrote
Climate change is a natural cyclical phenomena, that is absolutely 100%
true. What isn't natural is accelerating how fast it occurs, and let's
be honest, the biggest concern isn't climate change itself but how
rapidly it occurs. It costs much less to adapt to change when it occurs
at a manageable rate. As change progresses some economies will be
seriously harmed (some already are) while new economies are made
possible. If change happens faster than our ability to adapt to it, it's
going to get mighty expensive and costly. I've lost $500,000 worth of
marketable pine to insects that are normally kept in check by cold
winters. Where I live we haven't gotten that kind of cold for well over
a decade, so the population of beetle exploded and killed all my pine.
That's what climate change has cost little ol' me so far... about half a
million smackers... my retirement kitty. Fortunately, I have other
options of supporting myself. When people actually start to experience
financial loss and economic damage from climate change only then will
they be convinced. You will be convinced, eventually, and it will be a
truly regrettable moment for you (and your kids and their kids too).


The Canadian media used to refer to the Fraser Institute as "The Fraser
Institute". But the way their "studies" worked backfired on them.

They start with a conclusion and work their way in reverse to substantiate it,
avoiding all respected knowledge that may be in the way.

Science doesn't work that way.

The fact that some blowhard says that "two guys in an Oregon Quonset Hut have
a petition saying that 32,000 "scientists" say No! Doesn't hold under
scriuteny.

Now? The (evil, anti-right wing conspiracy cabal) Main Stream Media in Canada
refers to the Fraser Institute as a "Right Wing Think Tank".

And for good reason. Even the corporate owned media thinks that they're a
bunch of partisan, on the payroll punch bunnies with the credibility of CATO,
The Heritage Institute and just about every other incorrigable jackass
collection of narrow minded jerks backed by the ones whose special interests
lie in the denial industry. Many of whom were 100% behind the 7 top tobacco
executives in 1994 when they claimed under oath to the US congress that
"tobacco and nicotine are not addictive".

As Ann Coulter once said:

"Consider the source"


The only time I've ever agreed with her. But It's not as if I never did
anyway.
The philosophy of the FI is all about economic freedom, no matter what
the social or environmental costs are. When one person's freedom comes
at the expense of others it's a false freedom... the FI is essentially a
promoter of false freedoms.

To be fair, once in a while it produces something that actually makes sense.

The cost of taxes "tax freedom day" in Canada was a pile of unmitigated hooey.

It's really in May, not July.

But! It still gets press in July, by all the media!

On the other hand, some think that Elvis is working at a burger joint in
Kalamazoo, and he's 79 now so he should consider revealing himself and
retiring!

"There's a guy down at the Chip Shop who swears he's Elvis"

The Fraser Institute folk are a bunch of hardcore dominionists.
America's Ann Coulter gave the best definition of right-wing dominionism
ever. Essentially, God gave us the earth to consume and destroy with no
conscious regard for anything but the pursuit of material wealth:

COULTER: I take the biblical idea. God gave us the earth.

PETER FENN (Democratic strategist): Oh, OK.

COULTER: We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees.

FENN: This is a great idea.

COULTER: God says, "Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours."

FENN: Terrific. We're Americans, so we should consume as much of the
earth's resources...

COULTER: Yes! Yes.

FENN: ... as fast as we possibly can.

COULTER: As opposed to living like the Indians.

Chom Noamsky wrote

Pete wrote:
Chom Noamsky wrote
Pete wrote:
Chom Noamsky wrote
Climate change is a natural cyclical phenomena, that is absolutely 100%
true. What isn't natural is accelerating how fast it occurs, and let's
be honest, the biggest concern isn't climate change itself but how
rapidly it occurs. It costs much less to adapt to change when it occurs
at a manageable rate. As change progresses some economies will be
seriously harmed (some already are) while new economies are made
possible. If change happens faster than our ability to adapt to it, it's
going to get mighty expensive and costly. I've lost $500,000 worth of
marketable pine to insects that are normally kept in check by cold
winters. Where I live we haven't gotten that kind of cold for well over
a decade, so the population of beetle exploded and killed all my pine.
That's what climate change has cost little ol' me so far... about half a
million smackers... my retirement kitty. Fortunately, I have other
options of supporting myself. When people actually start to experience
financial loss and economic damage from climate change only then will
they be convinced. You will be convinced, eventually, and it will be a
truly regrettable moment for you (and your kids and their kids too).


The Canadian media used to refer to the Fraser Institute as "The Fraser
Institute". But the way their "studies" worked backfired on them.

They start with a conclusion and work their way in reverse to substantiate it,
avoiding all respected knowledge that may be in the way.

Science doesn't work that way.

The fact that some blowhard says that "two guys in an Oregon Quonset Hut have
a petition saying that 32,000 "scientists" say No! Doesn't hold under
scriuteny.

Now? The (evil, anti-right wing conspiracy cabal) Main Stream Media in Canada
refers to the Fraser Institute as a "Right Wing Think Tank".

And for good reason. Even the corporate owned media thinks that they're a
bunch of partisan, on the payroll punch bunnies with the credibility of CATO,
The Heritage Institute and just about every other incorrigable jackass
collection of narrow minded jerks backed by the ones whose special interests
lie in the denial industry. Many of whom were 100% behind the 7 top tobacco
executives in 1994 when they claimed under oath to the US congress that
"tobacco and nicotine are not addictive".

As Ann Coulter once said:

"Consider the source"


The only time I've ever agreed with her. But It's not as if I never did
anyway.
The philosophy of the FI is all about economic freedom, no matter what
the social or environmental costs are. When one person's freedom comes
at the expense of others it's a false freedom... the FI is essentially a
promoter of false freedoms.

To be fair, once in a while it produces something that actually makes sense.

The cost of taxes "tax freedom day" in Canada was a pile of unmitigated hooey.

It's really in May, not July.

But! It still gets press in July, by all the media!

On the other hand, some think that Elvis is working at a burger joint in
Kalamazoo, and he's 79 now so he should consider revealing himself and
retiring!

"There's a guy down at the Chip Shop who swears he's Elvis"

The Fraser Institute folk are a bunch of hardcore dominionists.
America's Ann Coulter gave the best definition of right-wing dominionism
ever. Essentially, God gave us the earth to consume and destroy with no
conscious regard for anything but the pursuit of material wealth:

COULTER: I take the biblical idea. God gave us the earth.

PETER FENN (Democratic strategist): Oh, OK.

COULTER: We have dominion over the plants, the animals, the trees.

FENN: This is a great idea.

COULTER: God says, "Earth is yours. Take it. Rape it. It's yours."

FENN: Terrific. We're Americans, so we should consume as much of the
earth's resources...

COULTER: Yes! Yes.

FENN: ... as fast as we possibly can.

COULTER: As opposed to living like the Indians.

I have a friend who I work with who is a Conservative Canadian and was with
the Fraser just after he left University. He's 30, I'm 51.

I was a member of Muroney's supporters in the days when he was too young to
wipe his ass (Not Mulroney, my friend), and I'm not stupid when it comes to
politics. So, despite how I'm not a Conservative (Harper), but a modest, self
described political agnostic (No Layton though). We have good talks.

But, he's a good kid when it comes down to it. My position in my company is
as an expert in what I do, and I am respected in my industry.

So, I went on a visit with him last year to the Durham College Oshawa, a
school of architecture and engineering.

As we walked to the reception, he said "Every advanced school in Ontario in
the past 50 years was built on the tax payer's tab, by a conservative"

"Durham College Oshawa is one of them, from Mike Harris" As if he's trying to
impress me.

Then I responded, "Yes, but most of them were built under the Bill Davis
Government!"

That shut him up. But only becuase he realized that I wasn't an asshole who
didn't know ****.

I voted for Bill Davis. He was a Progressive Conservative. A great premier.

On Dec 22, 4:42*pm, Peter Muehlbauer
wrote:
Chom Noamsky wrote:
Eric Gisin wrote:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...chive/2009/12/....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9GIN7J6BnU[climate]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIjQR1VQA-U[crisis]

December 22, 2009, 11:00:00 | NP Editor
Canada's Fraser Institute has produced a series of videos questioning
the honesty of claims made by
the climate change industry.

The videos include Climate is Constantly Changing, which breaks the lid
off the little-known fact
that the earth has gone through extended temperature shifts forever,
even before cars were
invented, meaning "It's not your fault" ... no matter what Al Gore wants
you to believe.

A second video, Manufacturing an Environmental Crisis, outlines the
environmental movement's
history of inventing and exaggerating scare campaigns.

The most recent, Confess Your Environmental Sins, looks at the success
the green movement has had
in using intensive messages of guilt (similar to some religions we could
think of) as a tool to
enforce its commandments on true believers. *Watch it here : [video]

Climate change is a natural cyclical phenomena, that is absolutely 100%
true. *

Full ACK

What isn't natural is accelerating how fast it occurs, and let's
be honest, the biggest concern isn't climate change itself but how
rapidly it occurs.

http://sceptics.umweltluege.de/vostok/vtrendz.png

This shows all but a fast acceleration.
Quite the opposite, this is a relative slow increasing slope compared to those
before.
Sorry, you have to find some better arguments.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I doubt the veracity of the graph

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 15:10:19 -0800, "Eric Gisin"
wrote:

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...mandments.aspx
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9GIN7J6BnU [climate]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIjQR1VQA-U [crisis]

December 22, 2009, 11:00:00 | NP Editor
Canada's Fraser Institute has produced a series of videos questioning the honesty of claims made by
the climate change industry.

The videos include Climate is Constantly Changing, which breaks the lid off the little-known fact
that the earth has gone through extended temperature shifts forever

If by "little known" you mean "something everybody already knew".

Eric Gisin wrote:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...mandments.aspx

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9GIN7J6BnU [climate]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIjQR1VQA-U [crisis]

December 22, 2009, 11:00:00 | NP Editor
Canada's Fraser Institute has produced a series of videos questioning
the honesty of claims made by
the climate change industry.

The videos include Climate is Constantly Changing, which breaks the lid
off the little-known fact
that the earth has gone through extended temperature shifts forever,
even before cars were
invented, meaning "It's not your fault" ... no matter what Al Gore wants
you to believe.

A second video, Manufacturing an Environmental Crisis, outlines the
environmental movement's
history of inventing and exaggerating scare campaigns.

The most recent, Confess Your Environmental Sins, looks at the success
the green movement has had
in using intensive messages of guilt (similar to some religions we could
think of) as a tool to
enforce its commandments on true believers. Watch it here : [video]


Fraser institute = right wing lie group.

Q

--
.... Mike's Nature trick .. to hide the decline ...

On Dec 22, 11:05*pm, Peter Muehlbauer
wrote:
richp wrote:
On Dec 22, 4:42*pm, Peter Muehlbauer
wrote:
Chom Noamsky wrote:
Eric Gisin wrote:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...chive/2009/12/...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9GIN7J6BnU[climate]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIjQR1VQA-U[crisis]

December 22, 2009, 11:00:00 | NP Editor
Canada's Fraser Institute has produced a series of videos questioning
the honesty of claims made by
the climate change industry.

The videos include Climate is Constantly Changing, which breaks the lid
off the little-known fact
that the earth has gone through extended temperature shifts forever,
even before cars were
invented, meaning "It's not your fault" ... no matter what Al Gore wants
you to believe.

A second video, Manufacturing an Environmental Crisis, outlines the
environmental movement's
history of inventing and exaggerating scare campaigns.

The most recent, Confess Your Environmental Sins, looks at the success
the green movement has had
in using intensive messages of guilt (similar to some religions we could
think of) as a tool to
enforce its commandments on true believers. *Watch it here : [video]

Climate change is a natural cyclical phenomena, that is absolutely 100%
true. *

Full ACK

What isn't natural is accelerating how fast it occurs, and let's
be honest, the biggest concern isn't climate change itself but how
rapidly it occurs.

http://sceptics.umweltluege.de/vostok/vtrendz.png

This shows all but a fast acceleration.
Quite the opposite, this is a relative slow increasing slope compared to those
before.
Sorry, you have to find some better arguments.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I doubt the veracity of the graph

Then die dumb.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Nice retort there

On Dec 24, 5:53*pm, Professional data rigger wrote:
Eric Gisin wrote:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...chive/2009/12/...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9GIN7J6BnU[climate]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIjQR1VQA-U[crisis]

December 22, 2009, 11:00:00 | NP Editor
Canada's Fraser Institute has produced a series of videos questioning
the honesty of claims made by
the climate change industry.

The videos include Climate is Constantly Changing, which breaks the lid
off the little-known fact
that the earth has gone through extended temperature shifts forever,
even before cars were
invented, meaning "It's not your fault" ... no matter what Al Gore wants
you to believe.

A second video, Manufacturing an Environmental Crisis, outlines the
environmental movement's
history of inventing and exaggerating scare campaigns.

The most recent, Confess Your Environmental Sins, looks at the success
the green movement has had
in using intensive messages of guilt (similar to some religions we could
think of) as a tool to
enforce its commandments on true believers. Watch it here : [video]

Fraser institute = right wing lie group.

Q

--
... Mike's Nature trick .. to hide the decline ...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To bad the Fraser Insitute is not less conservative and more
libertarian.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of
misery."
- Sir Winston Churchill

On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:53:37 -0800 (PST), Catoni
wrote:

On Dec 24, 5:53Â*pm, Professional data rigger wrote:
Eric Gisin wrote:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...chive/2009/12/...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9GIN7J6BnU[climate]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIjQR1VQA-U[crisis]

December 22, 2009, 11:00:00 | NP Editor
Canada's Fraser Institute has produced a series of videos questioning
the honesty of claims made by
the climate change industry.

The videos include Climate is Constantly Changing, which breaks the lid
off the little-known fact
that the earth has gone through extended temperature shifts forever,
even before cars were
invented, meaning "It's not your fault" ... no matter what Al Gore wants
you to believe.

A second video, Manufacturing an Environmental Crisis, outlines the
environmental movement's
history of inventing and exaggerating scare campaigns.

The most recent, Confess Your Environmental Sins, looks at the success
the green movement has had
in using intensive messages of guilt (similar to some religions we could
think of) as a tool to
enforce its commandments on true believers. Watch it here : [video]

Fraser institute = right wing lie group.

Q

--
... Mike's Nature trick .. to hide the decline ...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To bad the Fraser Insitute is not less conservative and more
libertarian.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of
misery."
- Sir Winston Churchill


Boy does that bring back memories of what FDR
tried in the 1930s, real dullsville.

But a socialist government is always willing
to provide a few park benches where liberals
can loaf and whine about the guy working his
fingers to the bone.

I M @ good guy wrote:
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:53:37 -0800 (PST), Catoni
wrote:

On Dec 24, 5:53 pm, Professional data rigger wrote:
Eric Gisin wrote:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...chive/2009/12/...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9GIN7J6BnU[climate]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIjQR1VQA-U[crisis]
December 22, 2009, 11:00:00 | NP Editor
Canada's Fraser Institute has produced a series of videos questioning
the honesty of claims made by
the climate change industry.
The videos include Climate is Constantly Changing, which breaks the lid
off the little-known fact
that the earth has gone through extended temperature shifts forever,
even before cars were
invented, meaning "It's not your fault" ... no matter what Al Gore wants
you to believe.
A second video, Manufacturing an Environmental Crisis, outlines the
environmental movement's
history of inventing and exaggerating scare campaigns.
The most recent, Confess Your Environmental Sins, looks at the success
the green movement has had
in using intensive messages of guilt (similar to some religions we could
think of) as a tool to
enforce its commandments on true believers. Watch it here : [video]
Fraser institute = right wing lie group.

Q

--
... Mike's Nature trick .. to hide the decline ...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -
To bad the Fraser Insitute is not less conservative and more
libertarian.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of
misery."
- Sir Winston Churchill


Boy does that bring back memories of what FDR
tried in the 1930s, real dullsville.

But a socialist government is always willing
to provide a few park benches where liberals
can loaf and whine about the guy working his
fingers to the bone.


Capitalism is: a shop on market street sells luxury watches starting at
$1500 till $25000 while at the other side of the window there is
somebody begging for 25 cents. Go to San Francisco, and you will see it
in real life.

Socialism is: two men walk in the street and they both wear a $50 swatch
and an Iphone. The irony is, you will also see this on market street in
San Francisco.

Q

--
Well, opinions are like assholes... everybody has one. -- Harry Callahan
http://tinyurl.com/m7m3qd

"I M @ good guy" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Dec 2009 22:53:37 -0800 (PST), Catoni
wrote:

On Dec 24, 5:53 pm, Professional data rigger wrote:
Eric Gisin wrote:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/b...chive/2009/12/...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9GIN7J6BnU[climate]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIjQR1VQA-U[crisis]

December 22, 2009, 11:00:00 | NP Editor
Canada's Fraser Institute has produced a series of videos questioning
the honesty of claims made by
the climate change industry.

The videos include Climate is Constantly Changing, which breaks the
lid
off the little-known fact
that the earth has gone through extended temperature shifts forever,
even before cars were
invented, meaning "It's not your fault" ... no matter what Al Gore
wants
you to believe.

A second video, Manufacturing an Environmental Crisis, outlines the
environmental movement's
history of inventing and exaggerating scare campaigns.

The most recent, Confess Your Environmental Sins, looks at the success
the green movement has had
in using intensive messages of guilt (similar to some religions we
could
think of) as a tool to
enforce its commandments on true believers. Watch it here : [video]

Fraser institute = right wing lie group.

Q

--
... Mike's Nature trick .. to hide the decline ...- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

To bad the Fraser Insitute is not less conservative and more
libertarian.

"Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and
the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of
misery."
- Sir Winston Churchill


Boy does that bring back memories of what FDR
tried in the 1930s, real dullsville.

But a socialist government is always willing
to provide a few park benches where liberals
can loaf and whine about the guy working his
fingers to the bone.






'dullsvill' !
What a ****in' shallow ****head who thinks he's being 'hip' ......
Oh what a loser
The bones in his fingers are for picking pockets.