The left is ****ed of that a grass-roots skeptic movement outnumbers the alarmist camp on the web.
The solution: organize a campain of alarmism in blog comments. Wonder when they'll invade usenet.

http://joannenova.com.au/2010/04/new...inst-sceptics/
http://www.campaigncc.org/whoweare

The advocates of man-made global warming are getting "sick of reading" all the comments by the
masses of skeptical public citizens.

They're desperate enough to try to rally the troops in blog comment land. They must be hurting.

Are you fed up with sceptics and pseudo-scientists dominating blogs and news articles with their
denialist propaganda? Well, fight back! We are trying to create an online army of online volunteers
to try and tip the balance back in the favour of scientific fact, not scientific fiction.

To sign up, . just enter your email on their site.
Lucky you, you'll get a message every day pointing you to climate change news articles where teams
of coordinated unskeptical people might congregate to repeat the same messages you've heard every
day for the last 20 years. Somehow AGW advocates hope that these same messages will still work
after the leading heroes were caught saying "pretty awful things" in emails. Somehow they feel sure
that people will be motivated to leap to help scientists who hide parts of graphs, lose records and
leave out caveats and uncertainties in the "megadocuments" that our tax dollars pay for.

There's any number of angles you might want to take but pointing out that the vast majority of
climate scientists are sure that man made climate change is happening is not a bad one.

ie. Step One - They suggest Argument from Authority.

Or how the fossil fuel companies are funding "think-tanks" whose job it is is to try and
undermine the science of climate change.

Step Two - Go for the ad hom. Smear! Smear! Smear!

Or ..(I could go on forever). You've probably got lots to say already (so much truth to tell.)
but you can also use the links on our Links page to back up your argument, or any of the further
information on our Sceptics page.

Step 3: After the illogical stuff, and the bullying, then maybe . consider some science.

..

BTW My Links page has some handy resources.

And My Index page will help you find topics I have written about.

(These are on the top right hand column of every post)

One last suggestion from us - you can also consider going onto the offensive and explain that the
real uncertainty about man-made climate change is not whether its happening but how fast its
happening and that in fact there is increasing evidence that the mainstream science of the IPCC is
actually underestimating the scale and imminence of the threat. See our Climate Emergency page and
the links at the bottom.

While they recommend being offensive, I recommend good manners.

It's also better to think for yourself, instead of cut and pasting baseless arguments and helping
to contribute to a banker-and-bureaucrat propaganda campaign.

Remember: everyone makes a difference. And if course you can unsubscribe at any time.

The Campaign against Climate Change is run by George Monbiot, Liberal democrat, Labour, and Green
party MP's, as well as a few journalists.

Michael Meacher MP (Labour, Oldham West and Royton)Minister of State for the Environment May
1997 - June 2003
Norman Baker MP (Liberal Democrats, Lewes)Lib-Dem Environment Spokesperson
Caroline Lucas MEP (Green Party, South East)

H/t Barry Woods.

"Eric Gisin" wrote in message

The left is ****ed of that a grass-roots skeptic movement outnumbers
the alarmist camp on the web. The solution: organize a campain of
alarmism in blog comments. Wonder when they'll invade usenet.

I think they are here already.


http://joannenova.com.au/2010/04/new...inst-sceptics/
http://www.campaigncc.org/whoweare

The advocates of man-made global warming are getting "sick of
reading" all the comments by the masses of skeptical public citizens.

They're desperate enough to try to rally the troops in blog comment
land. They must be hurting.
Are you fed up with sceptics and pseudo-scientists dominating blogs
and news articles with their denialist propaganda? Well, fight back!
We are trying to create an online army of online volunteers to try
and tip the balance back in the favour of scientific fact, not
scientific fiction.
To sign up, . just enter your email on their site.
Lucky you, you'll get a message every day pointing you to climate
change news articles where teams of coordinated unskeptical people
might congregate to repeat the same messages you've heard every day
for the last 20 years. Somehow AGW advocates hope that these same
messages will still work after the leading heroes were caught saying
"pretty awful things" in emails. Somehow they feel sure that people
will be motivated to leap to help scientists who hide parts of
graphs, lose records and leave out caveats and uncertainties in the
"megadocuments" that our tax dollars pay for.
There's any number of angles you might want to take but pointing out
that the vast majority of climate scientists are sure that man made
climate change is happening is not a bad one.
ie. Step One - They suggest Argument from Authority.

Or how the fossil fuel companies are funding "think-tanks" whose job
it is is to try and undermine the science of climate change.

Step Two - Go for the ad hom. Smear! Smear! Smear!

Or ..(I could go on forever). You've probably got lots to say
already (so much truth to tell.) but you can also use the links on
our Links page to back up your argument, or any of the further
information on our Sceptics page.
Step 3: After the illogical stuff, and the bullying, then maybe .
consider some science.
.

BTW My Links page has some handy resources.

And My Index page will help you find topics I have written about.

(These are on the top right hand column of every post)

One last suggestion from us - you can also consider going onto the
offensive and explain that the real uncertainty about man-made
climate change is not whether its happening but how fast its
happening and that in fact there is increasing evidence that the
mainstream science of the IPCC is actually underestimating the scale
and imminence of the threat. See our Climate Emergency page and the
links at the bottom.
While they recommend being offensive, I recommend good manners.

It's also better to think for yourself, instead of cut and pasting
baseless arguments and helping to contribute to a
banker-and-bureaucrat propaganda campaign.
Remember: everyone makes a difference. And if course you can
unsubscribe at any time.
The Campaign against Climate Change is run by George Monbiot, Liberal
democrat, Labour, and Green party MP's, as well as a few journalists.

Michael Meacher MP (Labour, Oldham West and Royton)Minister of
State for the Environment May 1997 - June 2003
Norman Baker MP (Liberal Democrats, Lewes)Lib-Dem Environment
Spokesperson Caroline Lucas MEP (Green Party, South East)

H/t Barry Woods.

On 18 Apr, 02:54, "James" wrote:
"Eric Gisin" wrote in message



The left is ****ed of that a grass-roots skeptic movement outnumbers
the alarmist camp on the web. The solution: organize a campain of
alarmism in blog comments. Wonder when they'll invade usenet.

I think they are here already.

Yes, I was gonna say we've had AGW propagandists active on this NG for
ages. They seem to have lost a lot of steam in recent months though.

On Apr 18, 11:51*am, Giga2 wrote:
On 18 Apr, 02:54, "James" wrote: "Eric Gisin" wrote in message



The left is ****ed of that a grass-roots skeptic movement outnumbers
the alarmist camp on the web. The solution: organize a campain of
alarmism in blog comments. Wonder when they'll invade usenet.

I think they are here already.

Yes, I was gonna say we've had AGW propagandists active on this NG for
ages. They seem to have lost a lot of steam in recent months though.

Giga - are you sure about what you've said here? See other thread.

On Sat, 17 Apr 2010 18:39:03 -0700
"Eric Gisin" wrote:

teams of coordinated unskeptical people

I do not think there is any such word as unskeptical.
It is not in my dictionary. Maybe you meant to
write gullible.

Giga2 wrote:

On 18 Apr, 13:04, Dawlish wrote:

On Apr 18, 11:51 am, Giga2 wrote:


On 18 Apr, 02:54, "James" wrote: "Eric Gisin" wrote in message



The left is ****ed of that a grass-roots skeptic movement outnumbers
the alarmist camp on the web. The solution: organize a campain of
alarmism in blog comments. Wonder when they'll invade usenet.

I think they are here already.

Yes, I was gonna say we've had AGW propagandists active on this NG for
ages. They seem to have lost a lot of steam in recent months though.

Giga - are you sure about what you've said here? See other thread.


I have to say Dawlish you are one of the few AGW propagandists who
have kept up the pretence even in the face of overwhelming evidence of
fraud and foolishness. I was referring to a more general trend and did
not mean to say that all individuals had started to loose some of
their fanatical evirothusiam.

ok give us the emails with the fraud, wait those are from gig2. he
lies about the emails he claims they were running a fraud. and that
statement alone is indicative of a deliberate intention to LIE.

josephus
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James wrote:

"Giga2" wrote in message


On Apr 19, 11:25 am, Dawlish wrote:

On Apr 19, 9:44 wrote:



On 18 Apr, 13:04, Dawlish wrote:


On Apr 18, 11:51 wrote:


On 18 Apr, 02:54, "James" wrote: "Eric
Gisin" wrote in message





The left is ****ed of that a grass-roots skeptic movement
outnumbers the alarmist camp on the web. The solution: organize
a campain of alarmism in blog comments. Wonder when they'll
invade usenet.


I think they are here already.


Yes, I was gonna say we've had AGW propagandists active on this
NG for
ages. They seem to have lost a lot of steam in recent months
though.


Giga - are you sure about what you've said here? See other thread.


I have to say Dawlish you are one of the few AGW propagandists who
have kept up the pretence even in the face of overwhelming evidence
of fraud and foolishness. I was referring to a more general trend
and did not mean to say that all individuals had started to loose
some of their fanatical evirothusiam.- Hide quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Pretence? It's easy, Giga. What possible reasons have denialists got
to smile at present*? Nothing points to what you wish to happen.


What do you wish to happen? Don't worry I know. You are hoping and
praying temperatures will go up and up. I wonder if you are capable of
seeing how insane that is?


He also cannot see that it's political. The climate farce is merely the
vehicle to get them to where they want to be so they compalin endlessly
when holes are spotted in their theory or something comes out debunking
one of their claims. The corruption found in the ones dealing in all
this never happened or was only minutia and isn't worth considering
according to most of them. As I posted a week or two ago, there are
several flavors of players in the enviro con game.



right you can insult, and lie about people all you want, it is freedom
of speach, except that libel laws have differences in various
countries. it is not freedom of speach when you assasinate people you
dont like, and it makes you look like a TROLL, they try to insult and
degrade people too.

josephus



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James wrote:

"Dawlish" wrote in message


On Apr 19, 3:52 pm, "James" wrote:

"Giga2" wrote in message







On Apr 19, 11:25 am, Dawlish wrote:

On Apr 19, 9:44 wrote:


On 18 Apr, 13:04, Dawlish wrote:


On Apr 18, 11:51 wrote:


On 18 Apr, 02:54, "James" wrote: "Eric
Gisin" wrote in message





The left is ****ed of that a grass-roots skeptic movement
outnumbers the alarmist camp on the web. The solution:
organize a campain of alarmism in blog comments. Wonder when
they'll invade usenet.


I think they are here already.


Yes, I was gonna say we've had AGW propagandists active on this
NG for
ages. They seem to have lost a lot of steam in recent months
though.


Giga - are you sure about what you've said here? See other
thread.


I have to say Dawlish you are one of the few AGW propagandists who
have kept up the pretence even in the face of overwhelming
evidence of fraud and foolishness. I was referring to a more
general trend and did not mean to say that all individuals had
started to loose some of their fanatical evirothusiam.- Hide
quoted text -


- Show quoted text -


Pretence? It's easy, Giga. What possible reasons have denialists
got to smile at present*? Nothing points to what you wish to
happen.


What do you wish to happen? Don't worry I know. You are hoping and
praying temperatures will go up and up. I wonder if you are capable
of seeing how insane that is?


He also cannot see that it's political. The climate farce is merely
the vehicle to get them to where they want to be so they compalin
endlessly when holes are spotted in their theory or something comes
out debunking one of their claims. The corruption found in the ones
dealing in all this never happened or was only minutia and isn't
worth considering according to most of them. As I posted a week or
two ago, there are several flavors of players in the enviro con
game.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


Ah, the political conspiracy theory raises it's ugly but strangely-
difficult-to-quantify-or provide-evidence-for head.


It's hard to believe you are that stupid.


I don't see you debunking any theory James by finding these "holes"?
Neither do I see you producing evidence of "corruption" James?


The evidence has been everywhere whether I produced it or not. The fact
that you don't want to know about it is typical for any troll or liar
who comes to the group and feigns surprise at things he says he knows
all about and proceeds to set them all straight. You really aren't very
good at this.


I do see you hugely upset about the world. It's a nice place really.



put up your cherry picked lies. I will seach and find the emails they
come out of. it is true they were ass holes but EVERYBODY in email
turns into one sooner or later. but it does not mean anybody is doing
anything the deniers are LYING about. the horrible truth is 3
different groups exhonerated the workers. it means the deniers FAILED
big time.

josephus

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On 18 Apr, 13:04, Dawlish wrote:
On Apr 18, 11:51*am, Giga2 wrote:

On 18 Apr, 02:54, "James" wrote: "Eric Gisin" wrote in message



The left is ****ed of that a grass-roots skeptic movement outnumbers
the alarmist camp on the web. The solution: organize a campain of
alarmism in blog comments. Wonder when they'll invade usenet.

I think they are here already.

Yes, I was gonna say we've had AGW propagandists active on this NG for
ages. They seem to have lost a lot of steam in recent months though.

Giga - are you sure about what you've said here? See other thread.

I have to say Dawlish you are one of the few AGW propagandists who
have kept up the pretence even in the face of overwhelming evidence of
fraud and foolishness. I was referring to a more general trend and did
not mean to say that all individuals had started to loose some of
their fanatical evirothusiam.

On Apr 19, 9:44*am, Giga2 wrote:
On 18 Apr, 13:04, Dawlish wrote:





On Apr 18, 11:51*am, Giga2 wrote:

On 18 Apr, 02:54, "James" wrote: "Eric Gisin" wrote in message



The left is ****ed of that a grass-roots skeptic movement outnumbers
the alarmist camp on the web. The solution: organize a campain of
alarmism in blog comments. Wonder when they'll invade usenet.

I think they are here already.

Yes, I was gonna say we've had AGW propagandists active on this NG for
ages. They seem to have lost a lot of steam in recent months though.

Giga - are you sure about what you've said here? See other thread.

I have to say Dawlish you are one of the few AGW propagandists who
have kept up the pretence even in the face of overwhelming evidence of
fraud and foolishness. I was referring to a more general trend and did
not mean to say that all individuals had started to loose some of
their fanatical evirothusiam.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Pretence? It's easy, Giga. What possible reasons have denialists got
to smile at present*? Nothing points to what you wish to happen.

*That is a serious question and the title of a discussion in which
denialists have, again, been very quiet...............

Just for you:

http://discover.itsc.uah.edu/amsutem...?amsutemps+001