http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...he-sun-stupid/

Solar scientists are finally overcoming their fears and going public about the Sun-climate
connection
By Lawrence Solomon

Four years ago, when I first started profiling scientists who were global warming skeptics, I soon
learned two things: Solar scientists were overwhelmingly skeptical that humans caused climate
change and, overwhelmingly, they were reluctant to go public with their views. Often, they refused
to be quoted at all, saying they feared for their funding, or they feared other recriminations from
climate scientists in the doomsayer camp. When the skeptics agreed to be quoted at all, they often
hedged their statements, to give themselves wiggle room if accused of being a global warming
denier. Scant few were outspoken about their skepticism.

No longer.

Scientists, and especially solar scientists, are becoming assertive. Maybe their newfound
confidence stems from the Climategate emails, which cast doomsayer-scientists as frauds and
diminished their standing within academia. Maybe their confidence stems from the avalanche of
errors recently found in the reports of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change, destroying its reputation as a gold standard in climate science. Maybe the solar scientists
are becoming assertive because the public no longer buys the doomsayer thesis, as seen in public
opinion polls throughout the developed world. Whatever it was, solar scientists are increasingly
conveying a clear message on the chief cause of climate change: It's the Sun, Stupid.

Jeff Kuhn, a rising star at the University of Hawaii's Institute for Astronomy, is one of the most
recent scientists to go public, revealing in press releases this month that solar scientists
worldwide are on a mission to show that the Sun drives Earth's climate. "As a scientist who knows
the data, I simply can't accept [the claim that man plays a dominant role in Earth's climate]," he
states.

Kuhn's team, which includes solar scientists from Stanford University and Brazil as well as from
his own institute, last week announced a startling breakthrough - evidence that the Sun does not
change much in size, as had previously been believed. This week, in announcing the award of a
¤60,000 Humboldt Prize for Kuhn's solar excellence, his institute issued a release stating that its
research into sunspots "may ultimately help us predict how and when a changing sun affects Earth's
climate."

Earlier this month, the link between solar activity and climate made headlines throughout Europe
after space scientists from the U.K., Germany and South Korea linked the recent paucity of sunspots
to the cold weather that Europe has been experiencing. This period of spotlessness, the scientists
predicted in a study published in Environmental Research Letters, could augur a repeat of winters
comparable to those of the Little Ice Age in the 1600s, during which the Sun was often free of
sunspots. By comparing temperatures in Europe since 1659 to highs and lows in solar activity in the
same years, the scientists discovered that low solar activity generally corresponded to cold
winters. Could this centuries-long link between the Sun and Earth's climate have been a matter of
chance? "There is less than a 1% probability that the result was obtained by chance," asserts Mike
Lockwood of the University of Reading in the U.K., the study's lead author.

Solar scientists widely consider the link between the Sun and Earth's climate incontrovertible.
When bodies such the IPCC dismiss solar science's contribution to understanding Earth's climate out
of hand, solar scientists no longer sit on their hands. Danish scientist Henrik Svensmark of the
Danish National Space Institute stated that the IPCC was "probably totally wrong" to dismiss the
significance of the sun, which in 2009 would likely have the most spotless days in a century. As
for claims from the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers who argue that periods of extreme heat
or cold were regional in scope, not global, Svensmark cites the Medieval Warm Period, a prosperous
period of very high solar activity around the year 1000: "It was a time when frosts in May were
almost unknown - a matter of great importance for a good harvest. Vikings settled in Greenland and
explored the coast of North America. On the whole it was a good time. For example, China's
population doubled in this period."

The Medieval Warm Period, many solar scientists believe, was warmer than today, and the Roman Warm
Period, around the time of Christ, was warmer still. Compelling new evidence to support his view
came just in March from the Saskatchewan Isotope Laboratory at the University of Saskatchewan and
Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research at the University of Colorado. In a study published in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, the authors for
the first time document seasonal temperature variations in the North Atlantic over a 2,000-year
period, from 360 BC to about 1660 AD. Their technique - involving measurements of oxygen and carbon
isotopes captured in mollusk shells - confirmed that the Roman Period was the warmest in the past
two millennia.

Among solar scientists, there are a great many theories about how the Sun influences climate. Some
will especially point to sunspots, others to the Sun's magnetic field, others still to the Sun's
influence on cosmic rays which, in turn, affect cloud cover. There is as yet no answer to how the
Sun affects Earth's climate. All that now seems sure is that the Sun does play an outsized role and
that the Big Chill on freedom of expression that scientists once faced when discussing global
warming is becoming a Big Thaw.

Financial Post

Slides from Jim Hansen's Presentation at the French National Assembly on
May 12, 2010
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/2010/M...alAssembly.pdf

On May 21, 8:30*pm, Sam Wormley wrote:
Slides from Jim Hansen's Presentation at the French National Assembly on
May 12, 2010

Not peer reviewed, so we are not allowed to look at it.
Socks

Modern Extinctions

Liolaemus pictus, a viviparous Chilean lizard typical of temperate
forests. Photo by P. Victoriano.

Over the course of the Earth's history, there have been at least five
major extinction events -- the End Ordovician, Late Devonian, End
Permian, End Triassic, and End Cretaceous. Some ecologists, citing the
loss of biodiversity in certain areas and the species at risk, say that
a new major extinction event could be on the horizon. Writing this week
in the journal Science, researchers say that warming temperatures could
cause one-fifth of the world's lizard species to become extinct by the
year 2080.

Posdcast (about 45 minutes)

http://podcastdownload.npr.org/anon...._126837657.mp3

On May 22, 12:49*am, "Eric Gisin" wrote:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...he-sun-stupid/

Solar scientists are finally overcoming their fears and going public about the Sun-climate
connection
By Lawrence Solomon

Four years ago, when I first started profiling scientists who were global warming skeptics, I soon
learned two things: Solar scientists were overwhelmingly skeptical that humans caused climate
change and, overwhelmingly, they were reluctant to go public with their views. Often, they refused
to be quoted at all, saying they feared for their funding, or they feared other recriminations from
climate scientists in the doomsayer camp. When the skeptics agreed to be quoted at all, they often
hedged their statements, to give themselves wiggle room if accused of being a global warming
denier. Scant few were outspoken about their skepticism.

No longer.

Scientists, and especially solar scientists, are becoming assertive. Maybe their newfound
confidence stems from the Climategate emails, which cast doomsayer-scientists as frauds and
diminished their standing within academia. Maybe their confidence stems from the avalanche of
errors recently found in the reports of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change, destroying its reputation as a gold standard in climate science. Maybe the solar scientists
are becoming assertive because the public no longer buys the doomsayer thesis, as seen in public
opinion polls throughout the developed world. Whatever it was, solar scientists are increasingly
conveying a clear message on the chief cause of climate change: It's the Sun, Stupid.

Jeff Kuhn, a rising star at the University of Hawaii's Institute for Astronomy, is one of the most
recent scientists to go public, revealing in press releases this month that solar scientists
worldwide are on a mission to show that the Sun drives Earth's climate. "As a scientist who knows
the data, I simply can't accept [the claim that man plays a dominant role in Earth's climate]," he
states.

Kuhn's team, which includes solar scientists from Stanford University and Brazil as well as from
his own institute, last week announced a startling breakthrough - evidence that the Sun does not
change much in size, as had previously been believed. This week, in announcing the award of a
¤60,000 Humboldt Prize for Kuhn's solar excellence, his institute issued a release stating that its
research into sunspots "may ultimately help us predict how and when a changing sun affects Earth's
climate."

Earlier this month, the link between solar activity and climate made headlines throughout Europe
after space scientists from the U.K., Germany and South Korea linked the recent paucity of sunspots
to the cold weather that Europe has been experiencing. This period of spotlessness, the scientists
predicted in a study published in Environmental Research Letters, could augur a repeat of winters
comparable to those of the Little Ice Age in the 1600s, during which the Sun was often free of
sunspots. By comparing temperatures in Europe since 1659 to highs and lows in solar activity in the
same years, the scientists discovered that low solar activity generally corresponded to cold
winters. Could this centuries-long link between the Sun and Earth's climate have been a matter of
chance? "There is less than a 1% probability that the result was obtained by chance," asserts Mike
Lockwood of the University of Reading in the U.K., the study's lead author.

"Dawlish" wrote in message
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On May 22, 12:49 am, "Eric Gisin" wrote:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...he-sun-stupid/


Could be: unlikely that it will be found to be the cause of the
current warming, in the opinion of most scientists. The "many" with
Solar scientists and the MWP is unlikely to be true. I do think this
is the only viable alternative to CO2 being the driver, but current
temperatures and other science leads me to the conclusion that its a
long-shot.

The question really becomes how much of the current climate trends are from
**man's** CO2? Right now, as more numbers come out, they just don't add up
to the doom + gloom story we get from Al Gore's and the corrupt IPCC. Man's
CO2 output is not playing the huge role as the IPCC's claims.

The sun is a factor, and science is growing by leaps and bounds that shows a
relationship that is LARGER then understood. This short video mentions one
such noted observation. It is VERY interesting to note that something in the
sun is effecting climate MORE then the change in the sun's energy output.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=85epBo_EVOI

In other words, it not just the change in sun's output, but factors such as
cloud formation. There clearly something going on here that not being
researched since it don't allow governments more ammunition for increasing
taxation. So, the Al Gore's and the IPCC's don't care about science, but
only political funding for RESEARCH THAT SUPPORTS their cause.

Funding and participants include Government of British Columbia,
McMaster University, Carleton University, Queens University,
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmosphere sciences (CFCAS),
Ottawa-Carleton Geosciences center, University of Victoria, and
several more I failed to list).

Regardless, we see VERY little funding for this area of science. If
proposals are submitted for direct funding for the millions being doled out
for man's co2, then no problem. The instant science is being done that dos
NOT support co2, then no funding is available.

The above funding ONLY occurred due to funding for fishery populations and
not under global warming funding. In other words, the ONLY science we get on
this issue when the funding it not looking for the cause other then the big
bad "man's" devil called co2.

Super Turtle

On May 22, 12:56*am, Sam Wormley wrote:
Modern Extinctions

Liolaemus pictus, a viviparous Chilean lizard typical of temperate
forests. Photo by P. Victoriano.

Over the course of the Earth's history, there have been at least five
major extinction events -- the End Ordovician, Late Devonian, End
Permian, End Triassic, and End Cretaceous. Some ecologists, citing the
loss of biodiversity in certain areas and the species at risk, say that
a new major extinction event could be on the horizon. Writing this week
in the journal Science, researchers say that warming temperatures could
cause one-fifth of the world's lizard species to become extinct by the
year 2080.

Posdcast (about 45 minutes)

http://podcastdownload.npr.org/anon....t/510221/12683...

My God.... We've warmed about 0.8 or 0.9 degrees since the end of
the Little Ice Age... To be expected don't you think ? Maybe you
DON'T think....

Relax...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxmo9DskYE

Pause during each chart and carefully look at the x and y axis
figures...... our present warming is well within natural
variation.
You should relax, have a beer.

On 22 May, 00:49, "Eric Gisin" wrote:
http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...he-sun-stupid/

Solar scientists are finally overcoming their fears and going public about the Sun-climate
connection
By Lawrence Solomon

Four years ago, when I first started profiling scientists who were global warming skeptics, I soon
learned two things: Solar scientists were overwhelmingly skeptical that humans caused climate
change and, overwhelmingly, they were reluctant to go public with their views. Often, they refused
to be quoted at all, saying they feared for their funding, or they feared other recriminations from
climate scientists in the doomsayer camp. When the skeptics agreed to be quoted at all, they often
hedged their statements, to give themselves wiggle room if accused of being a global warming
denier. Scant few were outspoken about their skepticism.

No longer.

Scientists, and especially solar scientists, are becoming assertive. Maybe their newfound
confidence stems from the Climategate emails, which cast doomsayer-scientists as frauds and
diminished their standing within academia. Maybe their confidence stems from the avalanche of
errors recently found in the reports of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change, destroying its reputation as a gold standard in climate science. Maybe the solar scientists
are becoming assertive because the public no longer buys the doomsayer thesis, as seen in public
opinion polls throughout the developed world. Whatever it was, solar scientists are increasingly
conveying a clear message on the chief cause of climate change: It's the Sun, Stupid.

Jeff Kuhn, a rising star at the University of Hawaii's Institute for Astronomy, is one of the most
recent scientists to go public, revealing in press releases this month that solar scientists
worldwide are on a mission to show that the Sun drives Earth's climate. "As a scientist who knows
the data, I simply can't accept [the claim that man plays a dominant role in Earth's climate]," he
states.

Kuhn's team, which includes solar scientists from Stanford University and Brazil as well as from
his own institute, last week announced a startling breakthrough - evidence that the Sun does not
change much in size, as had previously been believed. This week, in announcing the award of a
¤60,000 Humboldt Prize for Kuhn's solar excellence, his institute issued a release stating that its
research into sunspots "may ultimately help us predict how and when a changing sun affects Earth's
climate."

Earlier this month, the link between solar activity and climate made headlines throughout Europe
after space scientists from the U.K., Germany and South Korea linked the recent paucity of sunspots
to the cold weather that Europe has been experiencing. This period of spotlessness, the scientists
predicted in a study published in Environmental Research Letters, could augur a repeat of winters
comparable to those of the Little Ice Age in the 1600s, during which the Sun was often free of
sunspots. By comparing temperatures in Europe since 1659 to highs and lows in solar activity in the
same years, the scientists discovered that low solar activity generally corresponded to cold
winters. Could this centuries-long link between the Sun and Earth's climate have been a matter of
chance? "There is less than a 1% probability that the result was obtained by chance," asserts Mike
Lockwood of the University of Reading in the U.K., the study's lead author.

On 22 May, 10:00, Dawlish wrote:
On May 22, 12:49*am, "Eric Gisin" wrote:



http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/...he-sun-stupid/

Solar scientists are finally overcoming their fears and going public about the Sun-climate
connection
By Lawrence Solomon

Four years ago, when I first started profiling scientists who were global warming skeptics, I soon
learned two things: Solar scientists were overwhelmingly skeptical that humans caused climate
change and, overwhelmingly, they were reluctant to go public with their views. Often, they refused
to be quoted at all, saying they feared for their funding, or they feared other recriminations from
climate scientists in the doomsayer camp. When the skeptics agreed to be quoted at all, they often
hedged their statements, to give themselves wiggle room if accused of being a global warming
denier. Scant few were outspoken about their skepticism.

No longer.

Scientists, and especially solar scientists, are becoming assertive. Maybe their newfound
confidence stems from the Climategate emails, which cast doomsayer-scientists as frauds and
diminished their standing within academia. Maybe their confidence stems from the avalanche of
errors recently found in the reports of the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate
Change, destroying its reputation as a gold standard in climate science.. Maybe the solar scientists
are becoming assertive because the public no longer buys the doomsayer thesis, as seen in public
opinion polls throughout the developed world. Whatever it was, solar scientists are increasingly
conveying a clear message on the chief cause of climate change: It's the Sun, Stupid.

Jeff Kuhn, a rising star at the University of Hawaii's Institute for Astronomy, is one of the most
recent scientists to go public, revealing in press releases this month that solar scientists
worldwide are on a mission to show that the Sun drives Earth's climate. "As a scientist who knows
the data, I simply can't accept [the claim that man plays a dominant role in Earth's climate]," he
states.

Kuhn's team, which includes solar scientists from Stanford University and Brazil as well as from
his own institute, last week announced a startling breakthrough - evidence that the Sun does not
change much in size, as had previously been believed. This week, in announcing the award of a
¤60,000 Humboldt Prize for Kuhn's solar excellence, his institute issued a release stating that its
research into sunspots "may ultimately help us predict how and when a changing sun affects Earth's
climate."

Earlier this month, the link between solar activity and climate made headlines throughout Europe
after space scientists from the U.K., Germany and South Korea linked the recent paucity of sunspots
to the cold weather that Europe has been experiencing. This period of spotlessness, the scientists
predicted in a study published in Environmental Research Letters, could augur a repeat of winters
comparable to those of the Little Ice Age in the 1600s, during which the Sun was often free of
sunspots. By comparing temperatures in Europe since 1659 to highs and lows in solar activity in the
same years, the scientists discovered that low solar activity generally corresponded to cold
winters. Could this centuries-long link between the Sun and Earth's climate have been a matter of
chance? "There is less than a 1% probability that the result was obtained by chance," asserts Mike
Lockwood of the University of Reading in the U.K., the study's lead author.

Solar scientists widely consider the link between the Sun and Earth's climate incontrovertible.
When bodies such the IPCC dismiss solar science's contribution to understanding Earth's climate out
of hand, solar scientists no longer sit on their hands. Danish scientist Henrik Svensmark of the
Danish National Space Institute stated that the IPCC was "probably totally wrong" to dismiss the
significance of the sun, which in 2009 would likely have the most spotless days in a century. As
for claims from the IPCC and other global warming doomsayers who argue that periods of extreme heat
or cold were regional in scope, not global, Svensmark cites the Medieval Warm Period, a prosperous
period of very high solar activity around the year 1000: "It was a time when frosts in May were
almost unknown - a matter of great importance for a good harvest. Vikings settled in Greenland and
explored the coast of North America. On the whole it was a good time. For example, China's
population doubled in this period."

The Medieval Warm Period, many solar scientists believe, was warmer than today, and the Roman Warm
Period, around the time of Christ, was warmer still. Compelling new evidence to support his view
came just in March from the Saskatchewan Isotope Laboratory at the University of Saskatchewan and
Institute of Arctic and Alpine Research at the University of Colorado. In a study published in the
Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences of the United States of America, the authors for
the first time document seasonal temperature variations in the North Atlantic over a 2,000-year
period, from 360 BC to about 1660 AD. Their technique - involving measurements of oxygen and carbon
isotopes captured in mollusk shells - confirmed that the Roman Period was the warmest in the past
two millennia.

Among solar scientists, there are a great many theories about how the Sun influences climate. Some
will especially point to sunspots, others to the Sun's magnetic field, others still to the Sun's
influence on cosmic rays which, in turn, affect cloud cover. There is as yet no answer to how the
Sun affects Earth's climate. All that now seems sure is that the Sun does play an outsized role and
that the Big Chill on freedom of expression that scientists once faced when discussing global
warming is becoming a Big Thaw.

Financial Post

Could be: unlikely that it will be found to be the cause of the
current warming, in the opinion of most scientists. The "many" with
Solar scientists and the MWP is unlikely to be true. I do think this
is the only viable alternative to CO2 being the driver, but current
temperatures and other science leads me to the conclusion that its a
long-shot.

98%+ of everything in the solar system is the sun.

On May 22, 11:41*am, Catoni wrote:
On May 22, 12:56*am, Sam Wormley wrote:



Modern Extinctions

Liolaemus pictus, a viviparous Chilean lizard typical of temperate
forests. Photo by P. Victoriano.

Over the course of the Earth's history, there have been at least five
major extinction events -- the End Ordovician, Late Devonian, End
Permian, End Triassic, and End Cretaceous. Some ecologists, citing the
loss of biodiversity in certain areas and the species at risk, say that
a new major extinction event could be on the horizon. Writing this week
in the journal Science, researchers say that warming temperatures could
cause one-fifth of the world's lizard species to become extinct by the
year 2080.

Posdcast (about 45 minutes)

http://podcastdownload.npr.org/anon....t/510221/12683...

My God.... We've warmed about 0.8 * or 0.9 degrees since the end of
the Little Ice Age... *To be expected don't you think ?

With the current Milankovitch cycle already 2,000 years into its
cooling phase, most people would have expected the LIA to be the start
of a BIA.
With the sun currently showing reduced energy output, it seems odd
that global temperatures continue to rise, don't you think?

* *Maybe you
DON'T think....

* *Relax...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mxmo9DskYE

* *Pause during each chart and carefully look at the x and y axis
figures...... *our present warming is well within natural
variation.
* * You should relax, have a beer.