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This will undoubtedly be a silly question, so I apologise in advance,
but:

I've heard that whatever weather the US East Coast gets, we get not long
after (with variations of 'a few days' to 'a couple of weeks').

Is there any truth in this or, as I suspect, is it total nonsense?

Jim

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"Jim" wrote in message
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This will undoubtedly be a silly question, so I apologise in advance,
but:

I've heard that whatever weather the US East Coast gets, we get not long
after (with variations of 'a few days' to 'a couple of weeks').

Is there any truth in this or, as I suspect, is it total nonsense?

Jim



personal opinion is that its a load of moonshine, but no doubt I'm wrong
again! :-)

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The trace of truth is in concept of "storm tracks"
(see ie. http://www.converium.com/229.asp )
which says that depending on phase of NAO, the extratropical cyclones
(known as low pressures here) follow in average a route which goes more
or less from New England to Old England.

The nonsense part dominates for several factors
- not all the low pressures follow this track
- if two low centres sttart from USA, one hits Scotland anothr one
France, the resulting weather in UK is different, and the average of
these still comes to the arrow in the map
- the low pressures develop and enhance during the ocean crossing
- ...

Summary: there is a connection, it is not the only factor determining UK
weather and not even the strongest one, and it is not as simple as "copy
a weather report, replace timing".

Elena



Jim wrote:
This will undoubtedly be a silly question, so I apologise in advance,
but:

I've heard that whatever weather the US East Coast gets, we get not long
after (with variations of 'a few days' to 'a couple of weeks').

Is there any truth in this or, as I suspect, is it total nonsense?

Jim

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Junk, made up my the Media ;=) .
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"Jim" wrote in message
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This will undoubtedly be a silly question, so I apologise in advance,
but:

I've heard that whatever weather the US East Coast gets, we get not long
after (with variations of 'a few days' to 'a couple of weeks').

Is there any truth in this or, as I suspect, is it total nonsense?

Jim

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Rob Overfield wrote:
"Jim" wrote in message
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This will undoubtedly be a silly question, so I apologise in advance,
but:

I've heard that whatever weather the US East Coast gets, we get not long
after (with variations of 'a few days' to 'a couple of weeks').

Is there any truth in this or, as I suspect, is it total nonsense?

Jim




personal opinion is that its a load of moonshine, but no doubt I'm wrong
again! :-)

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Then I will be wrong with you.
If *some weather* is travelling eastwards and arrives at the east coast
of america, then it got there overland. If it continues travelling
until it gets to the uk, it got there over the ocean. I think that
would make it a different type of weather ... I hope ... (-:

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Elena Saltikoff wrote:

The trace of truth is in concept of "storm tracks"
(see ie. http://www.converium.com/229.asp )
which says that depending on phase of NAO, the extratropical cyclones


er...NAO? North Atlantic Ocean?

Sorry, I'm new to all this....

snip

Summary: there is a connection, it is not the only factor determining UK
weather and not even the strongest one, and it is not as simple as "copy
a weather report, replace timing".


So, just because they're having a wee bit of snow now doesn't mean we
will in, say, a week's time then?

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There is some correlation between the east coast of the IS and us, but
indirectly. As the jet meanders around the northern hemisphere so does
the cold and warm plunges of weather type. Depending on the speed of
the these meanders depends on how long after / before we may have a
similar weather type. Of course 'Joe Muppethead' from the media will
say it's coming across the Atlantic, but then we all know what they
know "diddly squat"

So, don't be surprised to see a cold snap for the uk in 2 to 3 weeks.
If I'm right, it may just be coincidence, if I'm wrong, well that
won't be the first time.

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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 20:43:25 -0000, "danny \(west kent\)"
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Junk, made up my the Media ;=) .
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This will undoubtedly be a silly question, so I apologise in advance,
but:

I've heard that whatever weather the US East Coast gets, we get not long
after (with variations of 'a few days' to 'a couple of weeks').

Is there any truth in this or, as I suspect, is it total nonsense?

Jim

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Keith (Southend) wrote:

There is some correlation between the east coast of the IS and us, but
indirectly. As the jet meanders around the northern hemisphere so does
the cold and warm plunges of weather type. Depending on the speed of
the these meanders depends on how long after / before we may have a
similar weather type. Of course 'Joe Muppethead' from the media will
say it's coming across the Atlantic, but then we all know what they
know "diddly squat"

So, don't be surprised to see a cold snap for the uk in 2 to 3 weeks.
If I'm right, it may just be coincidence, if I'm wrong, well that
won't be the first time.


When I was young, the figure for the old wives' tale was 2-3 days. This can
happen in the situation where the snow is caused by a deepening depression
running NE then N over the Eastern Seaboard. This throws up a warm ridge in
the middle of the Atlantic and, subsequently, to the East of this ridge,
cold air moves south over the UK.

Graham
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In article , Scottish Quilter wrote:
On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:01:09 +0000, (Jim)
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So, just because they're having a wee bit of snow now doesn't mean we
will in, say, a week's time then?

A wee bit of snow??? Our daughter lives on Cape Cod and as from last
night when I spoke to her she had 3 feet of snow in her garden--- she
emailed some photos which arrived this morning!


It's possible that I was understating the facts slightly :-)

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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 21:01:09 +0000, (Jim)
wrote:

So, just because they're having a wee bit of snow now doesn't mean we
will in, say, a week's time then?

A wee bit of snow??? Our daughter lives on Cape Cod and as from last
night when I spoke to her she had 3 feet of snow in her garden--- she
emailed some photos which arrived this morning!
Elma in Renfrewshire, Scotland, UK


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