What a mess!

Charts are all over the place with lots of wobbly features. Detail looks
impossible after 48 hours. Brief cold northerly with snow showers for Orkney and
Shetland on Sunday followed by a cold and frosty night for most UK. More rain
spreading SE on Monday, but then what? I suspect that high pressure will build
but will we get a cold easterly in the south? Or will the high build right
across UK dragging in mild southwesterlies over the top? Or will Monday's low
near SE England deepen more and change the whole setup? I don't know and that's
my honest answer.

Will.
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"Will Hand" wrote in message
...
What a mess!

Charts are all over the place with lots of wobbly features. Detail looks
impossible after 48 hours. Brief cold northerly with snow showers for
Orkney and
Shetland on Sunday followed by a cold and frosty night for most UK. More
rain
spreading SE on Monday, but then what? I suspect that high pressure will
build
but will we get a cold easterly in the south? Or will the high build right
across UK dragging in mild southwesterlies over the top? Or will Monday's
low
near SE England deepen more and change the whole setup? I don't know and
that's
my honest answer.

Will.

Yes, considerable uncertainty in the medium range. Notice the last 2
operational runs from EC carry a tropical looking nasty in towards Portugal
at T+240 http://tinyurl.com/ysovkh

Some well marked mountain wave activity today for those that like that sort
of thing
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/satpics/latest_uk_vis.html

Jon.

Will Hand wrote:
What a mess!

Charts are all over the place with lots of wobbly features. Detail looks
impossible after 48 hours.

I thought you were describing my wife for a moment, Will. :-)

--
Howard Neil

On Nov 10, 10:34 am, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote:
"Will Hand" wrote in message

...



What a mess!

Charts are all over the place with lots of wobbly features. Detail looks
impossible after 48 hours. Brief cold northerly with snow showers for
Orkney and
Shetland on Sunday followed by a cold and frosty night for most UK. More
rain
spreading SE on Monday, but then what? I suspect that high pressure will
build
but will we get a cold easterly in the south? Or will the high build right
across UK dragging in mild southwesterlies over the top? Or will Monday's
low
near SE England deepen more and change the whole setup? I don't know and
that's
my honest answer.

Will.

Yes, considerable uncertainty in the medium range. Notice the last 2
operational runs from EC carry a tropical looking nasty in towards Portugal
at T+240http://tinyurl.com/ysovkh

Some well marked mountain wave activity today for those that like that sort
of thinghttp://www.metoffice.gov.uk/satpics/latest_uk_vis.html

Musyck unto mine eares.

On 10 Nov, 13:18, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Nov 10, 10:34 am, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote:



"Will Hand" wrote in message

...

What a mess!

Charts are all over the place with lots of wobbly features. Detail looks
impossible after 48 hours. Brief cold northerly with snow showers for
Orkney and
Shetland on Sunday followed by a cold and frosty night for most UK. More
rain
spreading SE on Monday, but then what? I suspect that high pressure will
build
but will we get a cold easterly in the south? Or will the high build right
across UK dragging in mild southwesterlies over the top? Or will Monday's
low
near SE England deepen more and change the whole setup? I don't know and
that's
my honest answer.

Will.

Yes, considerable uncertainty in the medium range. Notice the last 2
operational runs from EC carry a tropical looking nasty in towards Portugal
at T+240http://tinyurl.com/ysovkh

Some well marked mountain wave activity today for those that like that sort
of thinghttp://www.metoffice.gov.uk/satpics/latest_uk_vis.html

Musyck unto mine eares.

I'm still waiting for the severe earthquake that would occur as TS
Noel diminished.

wrote in message
ups.com...
On 10 Nov, 13:18, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Nov 10, 10:34 am, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote:


I'm still waiting for the severe earthquake that would occur as TS
Noel diminished.


Careful with the Lawyerman he'll eat you for breakfast, Crazy horse.

I'm also wondering what seismic and solar activity is needed to change these
current weather patterns, interesting nevertheless!
It does indeed look like a different (pre 90's?) setup this late
autumn/winter at current time, what do you think chaps and chapesses.

Could this week be the start of something completely different?

Cheers

Monty Python
Tony Powell
c/o Corbyn Lawyers & Son Ltd

"Tony Powell" wrote in message
news

wrote in message
ups.com...
On 10 Nov, 13:18, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Nov 10, 10:34 am, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote:


I'm still waiting for the severe earthquake that would occur as TS
Noel diminished.


Careful with the Lawyerman he'll eat you for breakfast, Crazy horse.

I'm also wondering what seismic and solar activity is needed to change
these current weather patterns, interesting nevertheless!
It does indeed look like a different (pre 90's?) setup this late
autumn/winter at current time, what do you think chaps and chapesses.

Could this week be the start of something completely different?

Cheers

Monty Python
Tony Powell
c/o Corbyn Lawyers & Son Ltd --------------------------

My money's on HP situated to give SW 'lies. |This is based on:-
1. That's what usually happens
2. I'm a pessimist.

Dave

On Nov 10, 4:10 pm, wrote:
On 10 Nov, 13:18, Weatherlawyer wrote:



On Nov 10, 10:34 am, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote:

"Will Hand" wrote in message

...

What a mess!

Charts are all over the place with lots of wobbly features. Detail looks
impossible after 48 hours. Brief cold northerly with snow showers for
Orkney and
Shetland on Sunday followed by a cold and frosty night for most UK. More
rain
spreading SE on Monday, but then what? I suspect that high pressure will
build
but will we get a cold easterly in the south? Or will the high build right
across UK dragging in mild southwesterlies over the top? Or will Monday's
low
near SE England deepen more and change the whole setup? I don't know and
that's
my honest answer.

Will.

Yes, considerable uncertainty in the medium range. Notice the last 2
operational runs from EC carry a tropical looking nasty in towards Portugal
at T+240http://tinyurl.com/ysovkh

Some well marked mountain wave activity today for those that like that sort
of thinghttp://www.metoffice.gov.uk/satpics/latest_uk_vis.html

Musyck unto mine eares.

I'm still waiting for the severe earthquake that would occur as TS
Noel diminished.

Noel?

WTF said anything about Noel?

Oh yes I remember. Noel being the residue of the North Atlantic
disturbance from the last spell. OK. Don't go away.

Fool.

"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message
.uk...

"Tony Powell" wrote in message
news

wrote in message
ups.com...
On 10 Nov, 13:18, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Nov 10, 10:34 am, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote:


I'm still waiting for the severe earthquake that would occur as TS
Noel diminished.


Careful with the Lawyerman he'll eat you for breakfast, Crazy horse.

I'm also wondering what seismic and solar activity is needed to change
these current weather patterns, interesting nevertheless!
It does indeed look like a different (pre 90's?) setup this late
autumn/winter at current time, what do you think chaps and chapesses.

Could this week be the start of something completely different?

Cheers

Monty Python
Tony Powell
c/o Corbyn Lawyers & Son Ltd --------------------------

My money's on HP situated to give SW 'lies. |This is based on:-
1. That's what usually happens
2. I'm a pessimist.

Dave




Hi Dave and others, I think the high will eventually sink south but will
inevitably be replaced probably by yet another one from the west. A mild zonal
flow seems a long way away yet. GFS ensembles show predictability to be zero
beyond T+168. It does look like we will eventually get a frosty high
establishing over UK during second half of next week. The continent is cold and
any feed off there will be cold. The east will probably be colder than the west
and I guess western Scotland could end up quite mild. If winds swing southwest
more generally then obviously it will turn milder but cloudy, but as I say, I
cannot see such an event lasting very long as we are not getting a southwest jet
pushing into Iceland instead it is being diverted north to Greenland round the
very persistent mid-Atlantic ridge. See GFS 300 HpA streamline charts on
Wetterzentrale - this gives a better broadscale view on what's happening than
surface pressure patterns.

Will
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On Nov 11, 9:36 am, "Will Hand" wrote:
"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message

.uk...





"Tony Powell" wrote in message
news

wrote in message
oups.com...
On 10 Nov, 13:18, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Nov 10, 10:34 am, "Jon O'Rourke" wrote:

I'm still waiting for the severe earthquake that would occur as TS
Noel diminished.

Careful with the Lawyerman he'll eat you for breakfast, Crazy horse.

I'm also wondering what seismic and solar activity is needed to change
these current weather patterns, interesting nevertheless!
It does indeed look like a different (pre 90's?) setup this late
autumn/winter at current time, what do you think chaps and chapesses.

Could this week be the start of something completely different?

Cheers

Monty Python
Tony Powell
c/o Corbyn Lawyers & Son Ltd --------------------------

My money's on HP situated to give SW 'lies. |This is based on:-
1. That's what usually happens
2. I'm a pessimist.

Dave

Hi Dave and others, I think the high will eventually sink south but will
inevitably be replaced probably by yet another one from the west. A mild zonal
flow seems a long way away yet. GFS ensembles show predictability to be zero
beyond T+168. It does look like we will eventually get a frosty high
establishing over UK during second half of next week. The continent is cold and
any feed off there will be cold. The east will probably be colder than the west
and I guess western Scotland could end up quite mild. If winds swing southwest
more generally then obviously it will turn milder but cloudy, but as I say, I
cannot see such an event lasting very long as we are not getting a southwest jet
pushing into Iceland instead it is being diverted north to Greenland round the
very persistent mid-Atlantic ridge. See GFS 300 HpA streamline charts on
Wetterzentrale - this gives a better broadscale view on what's happening than
surface pressure patterns.

Will
--

Maybe too early to say but this could end up being a very dry autumn
in southern England, particularly from the point of view of number of
days with significant rainfall.

I get the impression there is a correlation between unusually wet
early/mid summers and unusually dry autumns - 1978/80/85 showing
similarities. No indications for the winter though with a mixture of
cold and mild following.

Nick