Yes I know its a weather NG but be fair, others post about these
topics all the time,

Anyhow it would seem the Arctic ice extent is at its greatest on this
date for eight years!

Have a look for yourself

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm.

Okay there will be the 'its first year ice ' comments and such but
lets be honest about the ice, rumours of its death seem to have been
greatly exaggerated.

Take the polar bears of suicide watch.

On Apr 20, 10:48*pm, wrote:
Yes I know its a weather NG but be fair, others post about these
topics all the time,

Anyhow it would seem the Arctic ice extent is at its greatest on this
date for eight years!

Have a look for yourself

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm.

Okay there will be the 'its first year ice ' comments and such but
lets be honest about the ice, rumours of its death seem to have been
greatly exaggerated.

Take the polar bears of suicide watch.

It could be just a blip in the general trend, nothing works to a
perfect rhythm, so I'm not convinced. The past 12 months the UK has
seen quite a number of cooler months, but my gut feeling is we've seen
the last of them for a while, infact April is looking particularly
warmer than average, but we will have to see what the summer brings,
but I wouldn't be surprised to see higher temperatures again. Even a
massive volcanic eruption would only slow the trend down for a year or
two.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

wrote in message
...
Yes I know its a weather NG but be fair, others post about these
topics all the time,

Anyhow it would seem the Arctic ice extent is at its greatest on this
date for eight years!

Have a look for yourself

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm.

Okay there will be the 'its first year ice ' comments and such but
lets be honest about the ice, rumours of its death seem to have been
greatly exaggerated.

You've been watching that little red line all winter now haven't you,
waiting for it to creep above the others so you could post this.

Only in January, the ice this year was at an all time low, I see you
don't mention that!

One spot reading is meaningless, as somebody else mentioned it's the
trend that matters. Let's see what happens during the summer in
the next ten years or so and then we might have something rather
than trying to claim one transient reading in April has any bearing on
anything at all.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl

On Apr 21, 6:09*am, "Col" wrote:

Only in January, the ice this year was at an all time low, I see you
don't mention that!

How would the January thermocline behave in a relatively low ice
Arctic?

Freezing water would drop toward the bottom of a relatively saline
column unless it got cold enough to actually freeze before it did so.
What are the chances of ice forming there in that case?

I'd say pretty low if I were asked. Fortunately nobody asked.
Ice is a mark of relatively calm conditions. Mixing or forcing will be
the true cause of poor ice formation.

But mixing is a condition required for fertility in marine
environments. I'd say things are looking healthy rather than
desperate, if I were asked. Fortunately nobody asked.

As for vulcanicity affecting things. Insofar as they are a sign of a
relatively negative NAO, volcanoes erupting seem to indicate greater
mixing in the Arctic as more North Atlantic cyclones go straight there
rather than waste time tracking to and fro from Canada to Norway.

Add to that the fact that airborne toxins such as sulphur and trace
elements spewed out by volcanoes seem to be a perquisite for rich fish
stocks.

The only thing spoiling things at the moment is the way humans are
raping the environment. I am sure that god will run out of patience
before too long and do away with such largess.

wrote:

Yes I know its a weather NG but be fair, others post about these
topics all the time,

Anyhow it would seem the Arctic ice extent is at its greatest on this
date for eight years!

Have a look for yourself

http://www.ijis.iarc.uaf.edu/en/home/seaice_extent.htm.

Okay there will be the 'its first year ice ' comments and such but
lets be honest about the ice, rumours of its death seem to have been
greatly exaggerated.

Take the polar bears of suicide watch.

There already has been talk about much of the ice being first-year ice.
See http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/2009/040609.html

The larger extent of ice at the moment is down to recent winds blowing ice
out of the Arctic and into the East Greenland and Barents Seas. This means
there is now even less multi-year ice in the Arctic than shown by the end-
of-February maps.

Ice extent is still below the 1979-2000 average. As this average covers a
period during which the ice has been in decline, it is itself lower than a
longer-term average.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks., UK. E-mail: newsman not newsboy

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 at 15:03:18, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote in uk.sci.weather :

It could be just a blip in the general trend, nothing works to a
perfect rhythm, so I'm not convinced. The past 12 months the UK has
seen quite a number of cooler months, but my gut feeling is we've seen
the last of them for a while, infact April is looking particularly
warmer than average, but we will have to see what the summer brings,
but I wouldn't be surprised to see higher temperatures again. Even a
massive volcanic eruption would only slow the trend down for a year or
two.

I've heard that solar activity is the lowest for about a century, so
that could well be overriding any man-made climate effects.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

On 21 Apr, 08:09, Paul Hyett wrote:
On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 at 15:03:18, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote in uk.sci.weather :



It could be just a blip in the general trend, nothing works to a
perfect rhythm, so I'm not convinced. The past 12 months the UK has
seen quite a number of cooler months, but my gut feeling is we've seen
the last of them for a while, infact April is looking particularly
warmer than average, but we will have to see what the summer brings,
but I wouldn't be surprised to see higher temperatures again. Even a
massive volcanic eruption would only slow the trend down for a year or
two.

I've heard that solar activity is the lowest for about a century, so
that could well be overriding any man-made climate effects.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)


Yes, I just found this on the BBC website:

Scientists warn sun has dimmed
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8009492.stm


An interesting peice of the puzzle.

Keith (Southend)
http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"

On 21 Apr, 08:17, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:
On 21 Apr, 08:09, Paul Hyett wrote:





On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 at 15:03:18, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote in uk.sci.weather :

It could be just a blip in the general trend, nothing works to a
perfect rhythm, so I'm not convinced. The past 12 months the UK has
seen quite a number of cooler months, but my gut feeling is we've seen
the last of them for a while, infact April is looking particularly
warmer than average, but we will have to see what the summer brings,
but I wouldn't be surprised to see higher temperatures again. Even a
massive volcanic eruption would only slow the trend down for a year or
two.

I've heard that solar activity is the lowest for about a century, so
that could well be overriding any man-made climate effects.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

Yes, I just found this on the BBC website:

Scientists warn sun has dimmedhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8009492.stm

An interesting peice of the puzzle.

Keith (Southend)http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now if this doesn't bring a long hot dry summer, I'll "Eat my hat" ;-)

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8010322.stm

Keith (Southend)

On 21 Apr, 14:48, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:
On 21 Apr, 08:17, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:



On 21 Apr, 08:09, Paul Hyett wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 at 15:03:18, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote in uk.sci.weather :

It could be just a blip in the general trend, nothing works to a
perfect rhythm, so I'm not convinced. The past 12 months the UK has
seen quite a number of cooler months, but my gut feeling is we've seen
the last of them for a while, infact April is looking particularly
warmer than average, but we will have to see what the summer brings,
but I wouldn't be surprised to see higher temperatures again. Even a
massive volcanic eruption would only slow the trend down for a year or
two.

I've heard that solar activity is the lowest for about a century, so
that could well be overriding any man-made climate effects.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

Yes, I just found this on the BBC website:

Scientists warn sun has dimmedhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8009492.stm

An interesting peice of the puzzle.

Keith (Southend)http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now if this doesn't bring a long hot dry summer, I'll "Eat my hat" ;-)

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8010322.stm

Keith (Southend)

Did anybody see the article in the Daily Telegraph today (Tues)? Lord
Stern, apparently an 'expert', has written a new book on global
warming. According to the DT he states that temperatures may rise by
6C (DT slips in 43F!!!!) and alligators could live at the North Pole!
I guess average temps at the NP in Winter are around -40 degs and
about zero in mid Summer. So those lucky old 'gators are going to have
fun at -34 degs in Winter and will be getting heat stroke in balmy
temperatures of 6 degs in Summer! No wonder there are sceptics like me
around when such total rubbish is being fed to the press.....

On 21 Apr, 19:38, Pete L wrote:
On 21 Apr, 14:48, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:



On 21 Apr, 08:17, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote:

On 21 Apr, 08:09, Paul Hyett wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2009 at 15:03:18, "Keith (Southend)G"
wrote in uk.sci.weather :

It could be just a blip in the general trend, nothing works to a
perfect rhythm, so I'm not convinced. The past 12 months the UK has
seen quite a number of cooler months, but my gut feeling is we've seen
the last of them for a while, infact April is looking particularly
warmer than average, but we will have to see what the summer brings,
but I wouldn't be surprised to see higher temperatures again. Even a
massive volcanic eruption would only slow the trend down for a year or
two.

I've heard that solar activity is the lowest for about a century, so
that could well be overriding any man-made climate effects.
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

Yes, I just found this on the BBC website:

Scientists warn sun has dimmedhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/8009492.stm

An interesting peice of the puzzle.

Keith (Southend)http://www.southendweather.net
"Weather Home & Abroad"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Now if this doesn't bring a long hot dry summer, I'll "Eat my hat" ;-)

http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8010322.stm

Keith (Southend)

Did anybody see the article in the Daily Telegraph today (Tues)? Lord
Stern, apparently an 'expert', has written a new book on global
warming. According to the DT he states that temperatures may rise by
6C (DT slips in 43F!!!!) and alligators could live at the North Pole!
I guess average temps at the NP in Winter are around -40 degs and
about zero in mid Summer. So those lucky old 'gators are going to have
fun at -34 degs in Winter and will be getting heat stroke in balmy
temperatures of 6 degs in Summer! No wonder there are sceptics like me
around when such total rubbish is being fed to the press.....

It beggars belief that somebody on the DT newsdesk didn't take a step
back and think about what they were reporting on - a total lack of
common sense