On Sep 17, 7:10*pm, Pete L wrote:
On 17 Sep, 18:24, Dawlish wrote:

On Sep 17, 10:45*am, "Alan Murphy" wrote:

Do I detect a slight cooling in the air?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...9/sep/16/globa....

Hi Alan. Thanks for that. It's actually a good article, the basic gist
of which I agree with. Last year, the Hadley Centre released a
prediction from their own model saying that GW may stall for few years
before picking up again. Neither Latif's model, not the Hadley
Centre's model says that GW is at an end because of graphs that start
at the peak of the largest El Nino of modern times in 1998.

If this is correct then we have quite a few years before
'catastrophic' global warming occurs. We have a whole new generation
of young children being brainwashed in schools to believe that man
made global warming is a 'fact'.
These children will become adults and
will accept that man must not pollute the planet and try to reduce CO2
emissions. In itself a good thing. Up until then it's about time that
the current generation of adults realise that vested interests are
running the agenda. People like Gore are making millions out of
'global warming'. Politicians should start to think about the policies
they sign up to. These children will grow up into a world that has
been destroyed not by global warming but by ill thought out ideas by
'do-gooders' , greens and greedy politicians.

And the anti-warming lobby definitely do *not* have ill thought ideas
by greedy right wing politicians and vested corporate interests.

:-)

Nick

As this seems to be the current Gorebull Warming thread I may as well point
this out here.

On this mornings BBC news there was an article about a sighting of a Crested
Puffin from the north pacific region. It is though to be the first recorded
sighting of this bird in the UK ever recorded.

How nice, especially if you are a twitcher. But that wasn't their reason for
broadcasting the piece. The presenters then went on to say that these birds
(suddenly there is a flock of them) are here because of climate change.

Yes I know that they are idiots, but these little green lies get threaded
into the fabric of reality. The poor viewer is, on average, not informed
enough to question this blatant nonsense. It just all adds a bit more
momentum to the stean rolling gravy train of the Global warming Industry.

I wish I was a creationist, then I could at least ask God to save us from
the imbeciles.

Paul

"Jim Kewley" wrote in message
...
In message , Lawrence Jenkins
writes
.

By the way would you include parasitic Saudi Arabia in those evil oil
people
terms because in my book they are far more culpable then the western oil
companies ever were



Of course.
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Jim

The reason I Saudi that Jim was this: at least in the 'west' the money goes
back into the economy as the oil companies are just that companies. In Saudi
Arabia however all that oil belongs to a few families who make sure they
keep it and the vast unimaginable fortunes that go with it. They have
inherited through no ingenuity of their own vast trillions of dollars that
the rest of us have to risk massive research and investment to get that
stuff out of the ground.

I notice that several contributors have refered to "vested interests" (who
have reasons for wanting us to believe in GW and/or AGW. Now I know these
people are part of a jewish inspired capitalist-imperialist plot to beggar
African nations - but how and why?

Surely any course of action that cuts down waste of any kind is a good
thing; more efficient sources of power have been on the engineering agenda
for centuries. David Attenborough's remark that the world's population has
trebled since he started making wildlife documentaries should surely be
enough reason for grave concern and unpopular action before it's too late.

--
Rodney Blackall (retired meteorologist)(BSc, FRMetS)
Buckingham, ENGLAND
Using Acorn SA-RPC, OS 4.02 with ANT INS and Pluto 3.03j

"Rodney Blackall" wrote in message
...
I notice that several contributors have refered to "vested interests" (who
have reasons for wanting us to believe in GW and/or AGW. Now I know these
people are part of a jewish inspired capitalist-imperialist plot to beggar
African nations - but how and why?

Surely any course of action that cuts down waste of any kind is a good
thing; more efficient sources of power have been on the engineering agenda
for centuries. David Attenborough's remark that the world's population has
trebled since he started making wildlife documentaries should surely be
enough reason for grave concern and unpopular action before it's too late.

--
Rodney Blackall (retired meteorologist)(BSc, FRMetS)
Buckingham, ENGLAND
Using Acorn SA-RPC, OS 4.02 with ANT INS and Pluto 3.03j



That's it Rodney now you're cooking with .....erm sustainable energy

In message , Lawrence Jenkins
writes

"Rodney Blackall" wrote in message
.. .
I notice that several contributors have refered to "vested interests" (who
have reasons for wanting us to believe in GW and/or AGW. Now I know these
people are part of a jewish inspired capitalist-imperialist plot to beggar
African nations - but how and why?

Surely any course of action that cuts down waste of any kind is a good
thing; more efficient sources of power have been on the engineering agenda
for centuries. David Attenborough's remark that the world's population has
trebled since he started making wildlife documentaries should surely be
enough reason for grave concern and unpopular action before it's too late.

--
Rodney Blackall (retired meteorologist)(BSc, FRMetS)
Buckingham, ENGLAND
Using Acorn SA-RPC, OS 4.02 with ANT INS and Pluto 3.03j



That's it Rodney now you're cooking with .....erm sustainable energy



Love this anti-Obama groups "FreedomWorks" and "Americans for
Prosperity" set up and funded by David Koch - multi-millionaire, oil
tycoon.

Now why would he do that?
--


Jim

"Rodney Blackall" wrote in message
...

Surely any course of action that cuts down waste of any kind is a good
thing; more efficient sources of power have been on the engineering agenda
for centuries. David Attenborough's remark that the world's population has
trebled since he started making wildlife documentaries should surely be
enough reason for grave concern and unpopular action before it's too late.

--
Rodney Blackall (retired meteorologist)(BSc, FRMetS)

That's all very noble, but lets make the right changes for the right
reasons. Overpopulation is the problem we need to change not Gorebull
Warming or Climate Change as they prefer to call it now.

Paul

On Sep 17, 6:24*pm, Dawlish wrote:
On Sep 17, 10:45*am, "Alan Murphy" wrote:

Do I detect a slight cooling in the air?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...9/sep/16/globa...

Hi Alan. Thanks for that. It's actually a good article, the basic gist
of which I agree with. Last year, the Hadley Centre released a
prediction from their own model saying that GW may stall for few years
before picking up again. Neither Latif's model, not the Hadley
Centre's model says that GW is at an end because of graphs that start
at the peak of the largest El Nino of modern times in 1998.

Just to drag this thread back on topic. *))

Here's the very recent paper from Hadley Centre scientists, much
discussed on the blogosphere already, It is relevant to Monibot's good
article and backs the AGW side's arguments again. It is always worth
reading the original paper, rather than just the discussion forum
comments.

The paper concludes that:

"These results show that climate models possess internal mechanisms of
variability capable of reproducing the current slowdown in global
temperature rise. Other factors, such as data biases and the effect of
the solar cycle (Haigh 2003), may also have contributed, although
these results show that it is not essential to invoke these
explanations. The simulations also produce an average increase of
2.0°C in twenty-first century global temperature, demonstrating that
recent observational trends are not sufficient to discount predictions
of substantial climate change and its significant and widespread
impacts. Given the likelihood that internal variability contributed to
the slowing of global temperature rise in the last decade, we expect
that warming will resume in the next few years, consistent with
predictions from near-term climate forecasts (Smith et al. 2007;
Haines et al. 2009)."

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/corporat...ratures_09.pdf

Of course, we'll have to wait to see if it is true, but the paper does
reflect the mainstream and the vast majority, of current climate
science thinking about likelihoods for the future.