On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:02:13 -0000, "Will Hand"
wrote:


"Dave Liquorice" wrote in message
ill.co.uk...
On Thu, 31 Dec 2009 18:51:10 -0000, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-sto.../three-die-in-
avalanches-in-ben-nevis-horror-as-big-freeze-cripples-uk-
115875-21932607/

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/...ds/8434825.stm

Ch Insp John Chisholm of Northern Constabulary said: "They were all
well-equipped, highly-experienced and European-accredited climbers.

"But it appears they were in the wrong place at the wrong time."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ly-sets-climb-
Snowdon-toddler-harness-fathers-back.html

If the photo is genuine they are at least dressed well. People are
regularly dragged off the Lake District peaks dressed in T shirts,
shorts and trainers, without a map or whistle. They are the ones that
need their heads examined. Comes of people living in centrally heated
homes, driving nice heated cars, sitting in a heated office. They
don't spend any appreciable amount of time outside and simply don't
realise what the wind and the cold can do to the human body over a
few hours. 5 minutes scraping the ice off the windscreen or loading
the shopping in Sainsburys carpark is not the same as being out side
for hours.

Still Mirror and Mail what do you expect? More badly reported,
sensationalist, crap.

Many years ago I was strolling up Helvellyn on a sunny day in summer. I
could not believe it when I saw a couple coming down with no rucksack and
her in a bikini! (nice boobs IIRC :-)) . OK it was a nice day but what if
she broke an ankle or something, how would she stay warm? Some people just
don't think. Thankfully Dartmoor has such a bad reputation that only people
kitted out properly venture out onto the featureless high plateau as you
have to walk more than a mile from a car park to get there.

Will
And you said, "Would you like a hand.......my names Will"

On Jan 1, 11:59*am, "Dave Liquorice"
wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 10:02:13 -0000, Will Hand wrote:
Many years ago I was strolling up Helvellyn on a sunny day in summer. I
could not believe it when I saw a couple coming down with no rucksack
and her in a bikini! (nice boobs IIRC :-)) . OK it was a nice day but
what if she broke an ankle or something, how would she stay warm?

Or if the weather turned? It changes very quickly up on the fells.

http://www.howhill.com/weather/view....2008&m=01&d=31

OK January but similar rain squalls come through in the summer. To be
caught in one of those in T shirt and shorts could well be life
threatening as the wind chill would be down to freezing.

I think the Lakes suffer at lot from unprepared people 'cause places
like Kendal, Windemere etc are quite low, only 100m or so, and with
the deep, steep sided, valleys relatively sheltered. It can be a 25C
and calm down there but up on the fells it'll be 20C and breezy.
Couple that with peoples general lack of experience of the weather,
both being out in it for more than 5 minutes and how fast it can
change, and people will walk themselves into danger.

Personally I think any one dragged of the fells who has ventured out
unstuitably attrired and unprepared ought to be charged by the
*volunteer* mountain rescue teams, say £100/person rescued. Even if
it can't be brought in as legislation the MRTs could still drop some
strongly worded hints and send/give stuff in writing that that a
*sizeable* donation to the MRT would be a good idea.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

I agree. The changes in the hills can be dramatic and suddely life-
threatening. While walking in the Lake District, in February, I think
around Red Tarn, the very windy, but drizzly weather turned quickly to
driving snow and my wife and I had to make some difficult decisions
about the route as we just had to to get back down quickly.
Fortunately we were well dressed, but an accident in that sudden
weather could have easily been life-threatening. It was raining when
we got down to the car park! I won't let my family walk on Dartmoor,
even in Summer, without adequate protection for the conditions, maps,
mobile phones etc. etc!

On Fri, 1 Jan 2010 05:06:09 -0800 (PST), Dawlish wrote:

I won't let my family walk on Dartmoor, even in Summer, without adequate
protection for the conditions, maps, mobile phones etc. etc!

Don't rely on the mobile phone, it is a convience and can be a life
saver *IF* you have coverage *AND* the battery isn't flat. It could
remove the 5 mile walk to the nearest civilasation to summon help
but you must be able to stay put and survive or navigate your own way
off without it.

A GPS can be useful but mainly as a compass and something to give you
your position on the map. Very handy in fog/snow/night when you can't
see any landmarks. But again only an assistant.

--
Cheers Dave.
Nr Garrigill, Cumbria. 421m ASL.

On Dec 31 2009, 4:55*pm, "
wrote:
All the following text taken fromhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8435777
where there's a small image

"Six people were airlifted to safety after up to 20 cars became
stranded by drifting snow on a mountain fell road.

How did they get on with Le Chunnelle?