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?Today marks the 9th anniversary of these model discussions - they started
as a look at the chance of a snowy Christmas back in 2001. The first post can be seen on Google he http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...689173fc?pli=1 Thank you to all readers over the years! Here is a summary of the NWP output for noon on Tuesday. Issued 0501, 10th December 2010 The models are split today. GFS keeps things much as it has for days, with a strong NW'ly flow over the UK during the latter half of the week and an increasing risk of snow both from showers over exposed coastal areas and from troughs moving south. ECM offers an alternate solution, with the original blocking high moving west and a new high setting up in the vicinity of Scandinavia, with cold easterlies setting in (and an increasing risk of snow in the east). Either way will bring cold weather for the UK, but the areas affected by snow would be different in each case. At the moment the GFS scenario has the most support model-wise but it wouldn't be out of the question that ECM ends up being correct. Analysis and evolution to T+120 via GFS Westerlies cover the UK, with high pressure to the south and southwest of the UK. Tomorrow the high rotates, bringing light winds to Wales, Northern Ireland and SW England. Elsewhere winds are WNW'lies, followed by NNW'lies for most on Sunday as the high declines to the NW. The high builds again on Monday, moving to cover Scotland. Northern Ireland lies under SE'lies as a result, with NE'lies elsewhere. T+120 synopsis http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rtavn12014.png http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rtavn1201.png http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rukm1201.gif http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Recm1201.gif http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rjma1201.gif The jetstream chart shows a diffluent block over the Atlantic with the UK on the warm side of the jet. The jet is exceptionally strong over the Canadian Arctic and Greenland. At the 500hPa level there's an elongated high stretching from Greenland SE'wards towards the UK, with a trough over the SE of the UK. The upper flow is NNE'ly as a result, whereas MetO shows northerlies aloft with a ridge to the west. ECM shows upper northerlies too, with an upper ridge west of Ireland. GEM shows an upper trough over the UK, with cyclonic northerlies aloft. JMA has NW'lies aloft with an upper high to the NW rather than a simple ridge to the west. At the surface, GFS brings northerlies with a large high to the WNW. Southern England lies under NE'lies due to a shallow low over France. MetO has NNW'lies for all with a high to the west, while ECM has a high over Ireland and NNW'lies over the UK. GEM brings light winds due to a col, while JMA has a col over England and Wales and northerlies elsewhere. Evolution to T+168 ECM shows high pressure over England and Wales on day 6, leading to SW'lies elsewhere. Day 7 sees southerlies for all as the high moves eastwards. GFS has NW'lies over the UK on day 6 as pressure remains high to the NW. There are further NW'lies on day 7. Looking further afield On day 8 ECM brings SE'lies as pressure builds strongly over Scandinavia. The winds become ENE'lies on day 9 as the high continues to build and on day 10 NE'lies and ENE'lies cover the UK as the high builds to over 1055hPa west of Scandinavia. Day 8 with GFS brings yet more NW'lies as pressure remains high to the west and NW. A trough moves southwards on day 9 and on day 10 low pressure lies to the south, with easterlies and NE'lies over the UK. Ensemble analysis http://www.meteociel.com/cartes_obs/...&ville=Londres The GEFS continues to show a milder weekend followed by prolonged cold. ECM ensembles http://www.meteogroup.co.uk/meteo/ep...tt6-london.gif The ECM ensembles haven't updated since yesterday morning. |
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![]() "Darren Prescott" wrote in message ... ?Today marks the 9th anniversary of these model discussions - they started as a look at the chance of a snowy Christmas back in 2001. The first post can be seen on Google he http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...689173fc?pli=1 Thank you to all readers over the years! Oh well done Darren, and a BIG thank you. Best wishes for the future. -- Bernard Burton Wokingham Berkshire. Weather data and satellite images at: www.woksat.info/wwp.html |
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Again thank you Darren, a must read with coffee and toast. Christmas
greetings from a balmy Midlands, 3.7C at 0830 JT "Malcolm" wrote in message ... In article , Darren Prescott writes ?Today marks the 9th anniversary of these model discussions - they started as a look at the chance of a snowy Christmas back in 2001. The first post can be seen on Google he http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...d/thread/61736 19c8ededbe/5cea7c71689173fc?pli=1 Thank you to all readers over the years! It's us who need to thank you, Darren. Your daily posts are one of the first things I read each morning. -- Malcolm |
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Darren Prescott wrote:
?Today marks the 9th anniversary of these model discussions - they started as a look at the chance of a snowy Christmas back in 2001. The first post can be seen on Google he http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...689173fc?pli=1 Thank you to all readers over the years! Here is a summary of the NWP output for noon on Tuesday. Issued 0501, 10th December 2010 The models are split today. GFS keeps things much as it has for days, with a strong NW'ly flow over the UK during the latter half of the week and an increasing risk of snow both from showers over exposed coastal areas and from troughs moving south. ECM offers an alternate solution, with the original blocking high moving west and a new high setting up in the vicinity of Scandinavia, with cold easterlies setting in (and an increasing risk of snow in the east). Either way will bring cold weather for the UK, but the areas affected by snow would be different in each case. At the moment the GFS scenario has the most support model-wise but it wouldn't be out of the question that ECM ends up being correct. Analysis and evolution to T+120 via GFS Westerlies cover the UK, with high pressure to the south and southwest of the UK. Tomorrow the high rotates, bringing light winds to Wales, Northern Ireland and SW England. Elsewhere winds are WNW'lies, followed by NNW'lies for most on Sunday as the high declines to the NW. The high builds again on Monday, moving to cover Scotland. Northern Ireland lies under SE'lies as a result, with NE'lies elsewhere. T+120 synopsis http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rtavn12014.png http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rtavn1201.png http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rukm1201.gif http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Recm1201.gif http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rjma1201.gif The jetstream chart shows a diffluent block over the Atlantic with the UK on the warm side of the jet. The jet is exceptionally strong over the Canadian Arctic and Greenland. At the 500hPa level there's an elongated high stretching from Greenland SE'wards towards the UK, with a trough over the SE of the UK. The upper flow is NNE'ly as a result, whereas MetO shows northerlies aloft with a ridge to the west. ECM shows upper northerlies too, with an upper ridge west of Ireland. GEM shows an upper trough over the UK, with cyclonic northerlies aloft. JMA has NW'lies aloft with an upper high to the NW rather than a simple ridge to the west. At the surface, GFS brings northerlies with a large high to the WNW. Southern England lies under NE'lies due to a shallow low over France. MetO has NNW'lies for all with a high to the west, while ECM has a high over Ireland and NNW'lies over the UK. GEM brings light winds due to a col, while JMA has a col over England and Wales and northerlies elsewhere. Evolution to T+168 ECM shows high pressure over England and Wales on day 6, leading to SW'lies elsewhere. Day 7 sees southerlies for all as the high moves eastwards. GFS has NW'lies over the UK on day 6 as pressure remains high to the NW. There are further NW'lies on day 7. Looking further afield On day 8 ECM brings SE'lies as pressure builds strongly over Scandinavia. The winds become ENE'lies on day 9 as the high continues to build and on day 10 NE'lies and ENE'lies cover the UK as the high builds to over 1055hPa west of Scandinavia. Day 8 with GFS brings yet more NW'lies as pressure remains high to the west and NW. A trough moves southwards on day 9 and on day 10 low pressure lies to the south, with easterlies and NE'lies over the UK. Ensemble analysis http://www.meteociel.com/cartes_obs/...&ville=Londres The GEFS continues to show a milder weekend followed by prolonged cold. ECM ensembles http://www.meteogroup.co.uk/meteo/ep...tt6-london.gif The ECM ensembles haven't updated since yesterday morning. ------------------- Blimey, have we been here that long! Anyway, thanks as usual for the brilliant reports which are the first read of the morning. Cheers, Dave |
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On Dec 10, 8:46*am, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Darren Prescott wrote: ?Today marks the 9th anniversary of these model discussions - they started as a look at the chance of a snowy Christmas back in 2001. The first post can be seen on Google he http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...read/thread/61... Thank you to all readers over the years! Here is a summary of the NWP output for noon on Tuesday. Issued 0501, 10th December 2010 The models are split today. GFS keeps things much as it has for days, with a strong NW'ly flow over the UK during the latter half of the week and an increasing risk of snow both from showers over exposed coastal areas and from troughs moving south. ECM offers an alternate solution, with the original blocking high moving west and a new high setting up in the vicinity of Scandinavia, with cold easterlies setting in (and an increasing risk of snow in the east). Either way will bring cold weather for the UK, but the areas affected by snow would be different in each case. At the moment the GFS scenario has the most support model-wise but it wouldn't be out of the question that ECM ends up being correct. Analysis and evolution to T+120 via GFS Westerlies cover the UK, with high pressure to the south and southwest of the UK. Tomorrow the high rotates, bringing light winds to Wales, Northern Ireland and SW England. Elsewhere winds are WNW'lies, followed by NNW'lies for most on Sunday as the high declines to the NW. The high builds again on Monday, moving to cover Scotland. Northern Ireland lies under SE'lies as a result, with NE'lies elsewhere. T+120 synopsis http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rtavn12014.png http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rtavn1201.png http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rukm1201.gif http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Recm1201.gif http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rjma1201.gif The jetstream chart shows a diffluent block over the Atlantic with the UK on the warm side of the jet. The jet is exceptionally strong over the Canadian Arctic and Greenland. At the 500hPa level there's an elongated high stretching from Greenland SE'wards towards the UK, with a trough over the SE of the UK. The upper flow is NNE'ly as a result, whereas MetO shows northerlies aloft with a ridge to the west. ECM shows upper northerlies too, with an upper ridge west of Ireland. GEM shows an upper trough over the UK, with cyclonic northerlies aloft. JMA has NW'lies aloft with an upper high to the NW rather than a simple ridge to the west. At the surface, GFS brings northerlies with a large high to the WNW. Southern England lies under NE'lies due to a shallow low over France. MetO has NNW'lies for all with a high to the west, while ECM has a high over Ireland and NNW'lies over the UK. GEM brings light winds due to a col, while JMA has a col over England and Wales and northerlies elsewhere. Evolution to T+168 ECM shows high pressure over England and Wales on day 6, leading to SW'lies elsewhere. Day 7 sees southerlies for all as the high moves eastwards. GFS has NW'lies over the UK on day 6 as pressure remains high to the NW.. There are further NW'lies on day 7. Looking further afield On day 8 ECM brings SE'lies as pressure builds strongly over Scandinavia. The winds become ENE'lies on day 9 as the high continues to build and on day 10 NE'lies and ENE'lies cover the UK as the high builds to over 1055hPa west of Scandinavia. Day 8 with GFS brings yet more NW'lies as pressure remains high to the west and NW. A trough moves southwards on day 9 and on day 10 low pressure lies to the south, with easterlies and NE'lies over the UK. Ensemble analysis http://www.meteociel.com/cartes_obs/...t=1&x=306&y=14... The GEFS continues to show a milder weekend followed by prolonged cold. ECM ensembles http://www.meteogroup.co.uk/meteo/ep...tt6-london.gif The ECM ensembles haven't updated since yesterday morning. ------------------- Blimey, have we been here that long! Anyway, thanks as usual for the brilliant reports which are the first read of the morning. Cheers, Dave Thanks Darren, we all must be getting on a bit! Keith (Southend) http://www.southendweather.net "Weather Home & Abroad" |
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On Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:06:35 -0000, "Darren Prescott"
wrote: ?Today marks the 9th anniversary of these model discussions - they started as a look at the chance of a snowy Christmas back in 2001. The first post can be seen on Google he http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...689173fc?pli=1 Thank you to all readers over the years! Here is a summary of the NWP output for noon on Tuesday. Issued 0501, 10th December 2010 The models are split today. GFS keeps things much as it has for days, with a strong NW'ly flow over the UK during the latter half of the week and an increasing risk of snow both from showers over exposed coastal areas and from troughs moving south. ECM offers an alternate solution, with the original blocking high moving west and a new high setting up in the vicinity of Scandinavia, with cold easterlies setting in (and an increasing risk of snow in the east). Either way will bring cold weather for the UK, but the areas affected by snow would be different in each case. At the moment the GFS scenario has the most support model-wise but it wouldn't be out of the question that ECM ends up being correct. Analysis and evolution to T+120 via GFS Westerlies cover the UK, with high pressure to the south and southwest of the UK. Tomorrow the high rotates, bringing light winds to Wales, Northern Ireland and SW England. Elsewhere winds are WNW'lies, followed by NNW'lies for most on Sunday as the high declines to the NW. The high builds again on Monday, moving to cover Scotland. Northern Ireland lies under SE'lies as a result, with NE'lies elsewhere. T+120 synopsis http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rtavn12014.png http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rtavn1201.png http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rukm1201.gif http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Recm1201.gif http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rjma1201.gif The jetstream chart shows a diffluent block over the Atlantic with the UK on the warm side of the jet. The jet is exceptionally strong over the Canadian Arctic and Greenland. At the 500hPa level there's an elongated high stretching from Greenland SE'wards towards the UK, with a trough over the SE of the UK. The upper flow is NNE'ly as a result, whereas MetO shows northerlies aloft with a ridge to the west. ECM shows upper northerlies too, with an upper ridge west of Ireland. GEM shows an upper trough over the UK, with cyclonic northerlies aloft. JMA has NW'lies aloft with an upper high to the NW rather than a simple ridge to the west. At the surface, GFS brings northerlies with a large high to the WNW. Southern England lies under NE'lies due to a shallow low over France. MetO has NNW'lies for all with a high to the west, while ECM has a high over Ireland and NNW'lies over the UK. GEM brings light winds due to a col, while JMA has a col over England and Wales and northerlies elsewhere. Evolution to T+168 ECM shows high pressure over England and Wales on day 6, leading to SW'lies elsewhere. Day 7 sees southerlies for all as the high moves eastwards. GFS has NW'lies over the UK on day 6 as pressure remains high to the NW. There are further NW'lies on day 7. Looking further afield On day 8 ECM brings SE'lies as pressure builds strongly over Scandinavia. The winds become ENE'lies on day 9 as the high continues to build and on day 10 NE'lies and ENE'lies cover the UK as the high builds to over 1055hPa west of Scandinavia. Day 8 with GFS brings yet more NW'lies as pressure remains high to the west and NW. A trough moves southwards on day 9 and on day 10 low pressure lies to the south, with easterlies and NE'lies over the UK. Ensemble analysis http://www.meteociel.com/cartes_obs/...&ville=Londres The GEFS continues to show a milder weekend followed by prolonged cold. ECM ensembles http://www.meteogroup.co.uk/meteo/ep...tt6-london.gif The ECM ensembles haven't updated since yesterday morning. Many thanks - read everyday Andy |
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![]() "Dave Cornwell" wrote in message ... Darren Prescott wrote: ?Today marks the 9th anniversary of these model discussions - they started as a look at the chance of a snowy Christmas back in 2001. The first post can be seen on Google he http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...689173fc?pli=1 Thank you to all readers over the years! Here is a summary of the NWP output for noon on Tuesday. Issued 0501, 10th December 2010 The models are split today. GFS keeps things much as it has for days, with a strong NW'ly flow over the UK during the latter half of the week and an increasing risk of snow both from showers over exposed coastal areas and from troughs moving south. ECM offers an alternate solution, with the original blocking high moving west and a new high setting up in the vicinity of Scandinavia, with cold easterlies setting in (and an increasing risk of snow in the east). Either way will bring cold weather for the UK, but the areas affected by snow would be different in each case. At the moment the GFS scenario has the most support model-wise but it wouldn't be out of the question that ECM ends up being correct. Analysis and evolution to T+120 via GFS Westerlies cover the UK, with high pressure to the south and southwest of the UK. Tomorrow the high rotates, bringing light winds to Wales, Northern Ireland and SW England. Elsewhere winds are WNW'lies, followed by NNW'lies for most on Sunday as the high declines to the NW. The high builds again on Monday, moving to cover Scotland. Northern Ireland lies under SE'lies as a result, with NE'lies elsewhere. T+120 synopsis http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rtavn12014.png http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rtavn1201.png http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rukm1201.gif http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Recm1201.gif http://www.wetterzentrale.de/wz/pics/Rjma1201.gif The jetstream chart shows a diffluent block over the Atlantic with the UK on the warm side of the jet. The jet is exceptionally strong over the Canadian Arctic and Greenland. At the 500hPa level there's an elongated high stretching from Greenland SE'wards towards the UK, with a trough over the SE of the UK. The upper flow is NNE'ly as a result, whereas MetO shows northerlies aloft with a ridge to the west. ECM shows upper northerlies too, with an upper ridge west of Ireland. GEM shows an upper trough over the UK, with cyclonic northerlies aloft. JMA has NW'lies aloft with an upper high to the NW rather than a simple ridge to the west. At the surface, GFS brings northerlies with a large high to the WNW. Southern England lies under NE'lies due to a shallow low over France. MetO has NNW'lies for all with a high to the west, while ECM has a high over Ireland and NNW'lies over the UK. GEM brings light winds due to a col, while JMA has a col over England and Wales and northerlies elsewhere. Evolution to T+168 ECM shows high pressure over England and Wales on day 6, leading to SW'lies elsewhere. Day 7 sees southerlies for all as the high moves eastwards. GFS has NW'lies over the UK on day 6 as pressure remains high to the NW. There are further NW'lies on day 7. Looking further afield On day 8 ECM brings SE'lies as pressure builds strongly over Scandinavia. The winds become ENE'lies on day 9 as the high continues to build and on day 10 NE'lies and ENE'lies cover the UK as the high builds to over 1055hPa west of Scandinavia. Day 8 with GFS brings yet more NW'lies as pressure remains high to the west and NW. A trough moves southwards on day 9 and on day 10 low pressure lies to the south, with easterlies and NE'lies over the UK. Ensemble analysis http://www.meteociel.com/cartes_obs/...&ville=Londres The GEFS continues to show a milder weekend followed by prolonged cold. ECM ensembles http://www.meteogroup.co.uk/meteo/ep...tt6-london.gif The ECM ensembles haven't updated since yesterday morning. ------------------- Blimey, have we been here that long! Anyway, thanks as usual for the brilliant reports which are the first read of the morning. Cheers, Dave Thank you for the work you continue to put in Darren. It is very much appreciated. David |
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Cheers Darren, its something I read everyday without fail.
regards Paul C Brampton www.bramptonweather.co.uk |
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In article ,
Darren Prescott writes: ?Today marks the 9th anniversary of these model discussions - they started as a look at the chance of a snowy Christmas back in 2001. The first post can be seen on Google he http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...ad/thread/6173 619c8ededbe/5cea7c71689173fc?pli=1 Thank you to all readers over the years! snip And thanks to you, Darren. Your work - and over such a long period too - is much appreciated. -- John Hall "I look upon it, that he who does not mind his belly, will hardly mind anything else." Dr Samuel Johnson (1709-84) |
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![]() My Thanks to you, almost the first post I look at. Jeff n Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:06:35 -0000, "Darren Prescott" wrote: ?Today marks the 9th anniversary of these model discussions - they started as a look at the chance of a snowy Christmas back in 2001. The first post can be seen on Google he http://groups.google.com/group/uk.sc...689173fc?pli=1 Thank you to all readers over the years! Here is a summary of the NWP output for noon on Tuesday. Issued 0501, 10th December 2010 |
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