Another viewpoint, from the New York Times...(correct newsgroup this
time...!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/op...ohen.html?_r=1

Richard

On Jan 5, 3:49*pm, Richard Dixon wrote:
Another viewpoint, from the New York Times...(correct newsgroup this
time...!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/op...ohen.html?_r=1

Richard

There may just be some truth in this. After all, the Earth is one very
complex buffer system, which climate modellers have not even begun to
understand properly. Over confident predictions of temp. change over
the next century should be taken with sackloads of salt!

"Richard Dixon" wrote in message
...
Another viewpoint, from the New York Times...(correct newsgroup this
time...!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/op...ohen.html?_r=1

Richard






NYT?

Do me a favour about as unbiased as the BBC and Guardian morphed
together-full of self haters of everything that capitalsim has achieved yet
enjoy *all* the fruits of that acheivment.

You'll be linking the Huffington post nest LOL.

As for the World Metrological Organisation they're like the Sian Lloyd of
that thieves litchen the UN.

Give me strength

On 2011-01-05, Dave Cornwell wrote:
I don't know if his theories are correct but I thought it was extremely
clearly explained with some nice analogies.

I am still trying to make sense of this though:

"high latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere,[...] just north
of [...] the Himalayas"

Who's been moving mountains?

Adrian
--
Adrian Shaw ais@
Pontrhydygroes, Ceredigion, Cymru aber.
12mi/20km ESE Aberystwyth, 860ft/260m asl ac.
http://users.aber.ac.uk/ais/weather/ uk

On Jan 5, 3:49*pm, Richard Dixon wrote:
Another viewpoint, from the New York Times...(correct newsgroup this
time...!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/op...ohen.html?_r=1

Richard

Everybody seems to be now jumping on the bandwagon that cold
winters, at least in some sectors of the N Hemisphere, are caused by
the circulation changes that come about with global warming. This has
a certain plausibility to it but why did no-one mention it a few years
ago and say that this was something we might expect? Instead, we were
told that winters would be stormy and wet with an increased risk of
flooding and that snow was a thing of the past. Does anybody, even
some well-accredited climatologists, really know anything or are they
yet another example of Private Eye's adaptable columnist Phil Space?

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Jan 5, 3:49*pm, Richard Dixon wrote:
Another viewpoint, from the New York Times...(correct newsgroup this
time...!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/op...ohen.html?_r=1

Richard

Everybody seems to be now jumping on the bandwagon that cold
winters, at least in some sectors of the N Hemisphere, are caused by
the circulation changes that come about with global warming. This has
a certain plausibility to it but why did no-one mention it a few years
ago and say that this was something we might expect?

I've been saying it for years, Tudor. It seems inevitable that global warming
will cause some changes in circulation patterns. Any changes in NW Europe,
however subtle, are far more likely to result in colder winters than warmer
ones because our "traditional" winter climate is so anomalously warm for our
latitude. Any reduction in the westerlies, as has been the case in the past
couple of winters, will almost inevitably lead to colder winters here even
though globally the temperature is rising.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.

On Wed, 5 Jan 2011 at 08:57:38, haaark wrote
in uk.sci.weather :

On Jan 5, 3:49*pm, Richard Dixon wrote:
Another viewpoint, from the New York Times...(correct newsgroup this
time...!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/op...ohen.html?_r=1

Richard

There may just be some truth in this. After all, the Earth is one very
complex buffer system, which climate modellers have not even begun to
understand properly.

Over confident predictions of temp. change over
the next century should be taken with sackloads of salt!

That's assuming you can rely on your local council to provide it...
--
Paul Hyett, Cheltenham (change 'invalid83261' to 'blueyonder' to email me)

Norman wrote:

Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Jan 5, 3:49*pm, Richard Dixon wrote:
Another viewpoint, from the New York Times...(correct newsgroup this
time...!)

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/26/op...ohen.html?_r=1

Richard

Everybody seems to be now jumping on the bandwagon that cold
winters, at least in some sectors of the N Hemisphere, are caused by
the circulation changes that come about with global warming. This has
a certain plausibility to it but why did no-one mention it a few years
ago and say that this was something we might expect?

I've been saying it for years, Tudor. It seems inevitable that global warming
will cause some changes in circulation patterns. Any changes in NW Europe,
however subtle, are far more likely to result in colder winters than warmer
ones because our "traditional" winter climate is so anomalously warm for our
latitude. Any reduction in the westerlies, as has been the case in the past
couple of winters, will almost inevitably lead to colder winters here even
though globally the temperature is rising.

Apologies for responding to my own post but from a search on Google Groups I
see that I mentioned this subject in a thread on usw in 2001. See the following

http://tinyurl.com/34rggtw

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.

On Jan 5, 5:49*pm, "Lawrence Jenkins" wrote:

Do me a favour about as unbiased as the BBC and Guardian morphed
together-full of self haters of everything that capitalsim has achieved yet
enjoy *all* the fruits of that acheivment.

Before you launch into another campaign, the writer doesn't even work
for the NYT. Feel free to grind your axe, though... *sighs*

Richard

On Jan 6, 2:05*am, Tudor Hughes wrote:

* * *Everybody seems to be now jumping on the bandwagon that cold
winters, at least in some sectors of the N Hemisphere, are caused by
the circulation changes that come about with global warming. *This has
a certain plausibility to it but why did no-one mention it a few years
ago and say that this was something we might expect? *Instead, we were
told that winters would be stormy and wet with an increased risk of
flooding and that snow was a thing of the past.

It does seem all a bit reactionary doesn't it. I suspect the buzz word
of the 2010s will be "regional climate change" no doubt...

Richard