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When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone.
Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones that are concerned with AGW. More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic. scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand cart. |
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Lawrence13 wrote:
When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone. Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones that are concerned with AGW. More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic. scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand cart. -------------------- The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low snow threats! Dave |
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On Aug 22, 11:55*pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Lawrence13 wrote: When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone. Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones that are concerned with AGW. More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. *Maybe tomorrows big yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic. scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand cart. -------------------- The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low snow threats! Dave The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop and are not dismayed. I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I have no problem with that. However when stupid 'weather warnings go out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the severe weather public information doom laden tosh fizzles out faster than a pound shop firework. I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly forgotten. |
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On Aug 23, 12:38*am, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Aug 22, 11:55*pm, Dave Cornwell wrote: Lawrence13 wrote: When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone. Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones that are concerned with AGW. More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. *Maybe tomorrows big yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic. scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand cart. -------------------- The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low snow threats! Dave The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop and are not dismayed. *I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I have no problem with that. However when stupid *'weather warnings go out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the severe *weather public information *doom laden tosh fizzles out faster than a pound shop firework. I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly forgotten.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't get much rain? Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is predicated on this basis. If the forecast does go wrong there may well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning, because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm "in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). If that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. Why not wait until tomorrow afternoon and see what has actually happened? My own hunch is that we will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. Why are you? You give yourself away so easily. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet). |
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![]() "Tudor Hughes" wrote in message ... On Aug 23, 12:38 am, Lawrence13 wrote: On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote: Lawrence13 wrote: When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone. Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones that are concerned with AGW. More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic. scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand cart. -------------------- The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low snow threats! Dave The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop and are not dismayed. I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I have no problem with that. However when stupid 'weather warnings go out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the severe weather public information doom laden tosh fizzles out faster than a pound shop firework. I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly forgotten.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't get much rain? Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is predicated on this basis. If the forecast does go wrong there may well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning, because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm "in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). If that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. Why not wait until tomorrow afternoon and see what has actually happened? My own hunch is that we will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. Why are you? You give yourself away so easily. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet). I'm with you Lawrence. Last Thursday was a classic example of the absurdity of it all. I had a busy weekend coming up with a game of cricket on the Friday, a wedding on the Saturday and a game of golf on the Sunday, all in East Anglia. Whilst we endured one of the worst August days I can remember in Hampshire with very low temperatures and rain amounts exceeding 50mm in places there was not one warning on the Met Office website until the event had practically ceased. Meanwhile the dire warnings of heavy rain for the Sunday and Monday in East Anglia remained in place day after day until that event, like last night's and this morning's simply failed to materialise! I have said before that I fully understand that forecasts can go wrong but with these warnings my perception is that they are wrong (or perhaps exaggerated) more often than they are right. It also begs the question do we need to be warned about rain? Tony |
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On Aug 23, 10:09*am, "Tony Kenyon"
wrote: "Tudor Hughes" *wrote in message ... On Aug 23, 12:38 am, Lawrence13 wrote: On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote: Lawrence13 wrote: When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone. Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones that are concerned with AGW. More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. *Maybe tomorrows big yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic. scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand cart. -------------------- The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low snow threats! Dave The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop and are not dismayed. *I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I have no problem with that. However when stupid *'weather warnings go out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the severe *weather public information *doom laden tosh fizzles out faster than a pound shop firework. I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly forgotten.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - * * * * * *How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't get much rain? *Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is predicated on this basis. *If the forecast does go wrong there may well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning, because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm "in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). *If that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. *Why not wait until tomorrow afternoon and see what has actually happened? *My own hunch is that we will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. *Why are you? *You give yourself away so easily. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet). I'm with you Lawrence. *Last Thursday was a classic example of the absurdity of it all. I had a busy weekend coming up with a game of cricket on the Friday, a wedding on the Saturday and a game of golf on the Sunday, all in East Anglia. *Whilst we endured one of the worst August days I can remember in Hampshire with very low temperatures and rain amounts exceeding 50mm in places there was not one warning on the Met Office website until the event had practically ceased. Meanwhile the dire warnings of heavy rain for the Sunday and Monday in East Anglia remained in place day after day until that event, like last night's and this morning's simply failed to materialise! I have said before that I fully understand that forecasts can go wrong but with these warnings my perception is that they are wrong (or perhaps exaggerated) more often than they are right. It also begs the question do we need to be warned about rain? Tony Is it not better to warn people about it "just in case" it happens? The current event *could* have developed into something like last Thursday but didn't. I wasn't here but it sounds like Thursday was an extreme event, it wasn't "just rain" but a flooding event. Surely it's a good idea to warn people of the possibility of that. Nick |
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Lawrence13 wrote:
On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote: Lawrence13 wrote: When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone. Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones that are concerned with AGW. More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic. scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand cart. -------------------- The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low snow threats! Dave The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop and are not dismayed. I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I have no problem with that. However when stupid 'weather warnings go out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the severe weather public information doom laden tosh fizzles out faster than a pound shop firework. I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly forgotten. --------------------- Just to let you know, being at the epicentre of the warnings and unable to see Essex on the map for the record number of lightning symbols, I have managed to survive the grey skies and 0.7mm of drizzle. At least you got some rain Lawrence! As I alluded to last night, most of it was well to the East and went through Kent. The Kirkwood girl was having none of it this morning though and justified it by saying there had been an overnight thunderstorm in Belgium! Dave |
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![]() "Nick" wrote in message ... On Aug 23, 10:09 am, "Tony Kenyon" wrote: "Tudor Hughes" wrote in message ... On Aug 23, 12:38 am, Lawrence13 wrote: On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote: Lawrence13 wrote: When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone. Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones that are concerned with AGW. More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic. scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand cart. -------------------- The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low snow threats! Dave The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop and are not dismayed. I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I have no problem with that. However when stupid 'weather warnings go out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the severe weather public information doom laden tosh fizzles out faster than a pound shop firework. I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly forgotten.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't get much rain? Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is predicated on this basis. If the forecast does go wrong there may well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning, because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm "in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). If that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. Why not wait until tomorrow afternoon and see what has actually happened? My own hunch is that we will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. Why are you? You give yourself away so easily. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet). I'm with you Lawrence. Last Thursday was a classic example of the absurdity of it all. I had a busy weekend coming up with a game of cricket on the Friday, a wedding on the Saturday and a game of golf on the Sunday, all in East Anglia. Whilst we endured one of the worst August days I can remember in Hampshire with very low temperatures and rain amounts exceeding 50mm in places there was not one warning on the Met Office website until the event had practically ceased. Meanwhile the dire warnings of heavy rain for the Sunday and Monday in East Anglia remained in place day after day until that event, like last night's and this morning's simply failed to materialise! I have said before that I fully understand that forecasts can go wrong but with these warnings my perception is that they are wrong (or perhaps exaggerated) more often than they are right. It also begs the question do we need to be warned about rain? Tony Is it not better to warn people about it "just in case" it happens? The current event *could* have developed into something like last Thursday but didn't. I wasn't here but it sounds like Thursday was an extreme event, it wasn't "just rain" but a flooding event. Surely it's a good idea to warn people of the possibility of that. Nick Isn't that the problem though Nick; the Met Office warn of possibly dire consequences constantly when they very rarely happen and the net result is , I suspect, that the only people who take any notice are journalists looking to fill a few column inches. I agree that it would have been useful to have had some prior warning that Bournemouth would get flooded last Thursday but such forecasting accuracy is impossible and although we got a lot of rain in Winchester it caused no problems other than to our mental health! Tony |
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Tony Kenyon wrote:
"Nick" wrote in message ... On Aug 23, 10:09 am, "Tony Kenyon" wrote: "Tudor Hughes" wrote in message ... On Aug 23, 12:38 am, Lawrence13 wrote: On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote: Lawrence13 wrote: When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone. Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones that are concerned with AGW. More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic. scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand cart. -------------------- The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low snow threats! Dave The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop and are not dismayed. I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I have no problem with that. However when stupid 'weather warnings go out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the severe weather public information doom laden tosh fizzles out faster than a pound shop firework. I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly forgotten.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't get much rain? Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is predicated on this basis. If the forecast does go wrong there may well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning, because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm "in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). If that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. Why not wait until tomorrow afternoon and see what has actually happened? My own hunch is that we will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. Why are you? You give yourself away so easily. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet). I'm with you Lawrence. Last Thursday was a classic example of the absurdity of it all. I had a busy weekend coming up with a game of cricket on the Friday, a wedding on the Saturday and a game of golf on the Sunday, all in East Anglia. Whilst we endured one of the worst August days I can remember in Hampshire with very low temperatures and rain amounts exceeding 50mm in places there was not one warning on the Met Office website until the event had practically ceased. Meanwhile the dire warnings of heavy rain for the Sunday and Monday in East Anglia remained in place day after day until that event, like last night's and this morning's simply failed to materialise! I have said before that I fully understand that forecasts can go wrong but with these warnings my perception is that they are wrong (or perhaps exaggerated) more often than they are right. It also begs the question do we need to be warned about rain? Tony Is it not better to warn people about it "just in case" it happens? The current event *could* have developed into something like last Thursday but didn't. I wasn't here but it sounds like Thursday was an extreme event, it wasn't "just rain" but a flooding event. Surely it's a good idea to warn people of the possibility of that. Nick Isn't that the problem though Nick; the Met Office warn of possibly dire consequences constantly when they very rarely happen and the net result is , I suspect, that the only people who take any notice are journalists looking to fill a few column inches. I agree that it would have been useful to have had some prior warning that Bournemouth would get flooded last Thursday but such forecasting accuracy is impossible and although we got a lot of rain in Winchester it caused no problems other than to our mental health! Tony -------------------- You do lose some street cred. with your family and friends as the "Weather Boffin" though when you warn them of the dire weather that turns out to be drizzle! Dave |
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On Aug 23, 10:09*am, "Tony Kenyon"
wrote: "Tudor Hughes" *wrote in message ... On Aug 23, 12:38 am, Lawrence13 wrote: On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote: Lawrence13 wrote: When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone. Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones that are concerned with AGW. More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. *Maybe tomorrows big yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic. scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand cart. -------------------- The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low snow threats! Dave The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop and are not dismayed. *I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I have no problem with that. However when stupid *'weather warnings go out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the severe *weather public information *doom laden tosh fizzles out faster than a pound shop firework. I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly forgotten.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - * * * * * *How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't get much rain? *Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is predicated on this basis. *If the forecast does go wrong there may well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning, because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm "in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). *If that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. *Why not wait until tomorrow afternoon and see what has actually happened? *My own hunch is that we will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. *Why are you? *You give yourself away so easily. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet). I'm with you Lawrence. *Last Thursday was a classic example of the absurdity of it all. I had a busy weekend coming up with a game of cricket on the Friday, a wedding on the Saturday and a game of golf on the Sunday, all in East Anglia. *Whilst we endured one of the worst August days I can remember in Hampshire with very low temperatures and rain amounts exceeding 50mm in places there was not one warning on the Met Office website until the event had practically ceased. Meanwhile the dire warnings of heavy rain for the Sunday and Monday in East Anglia remained in place day after day until that event, like last night's and this morning's simply failed to materialise! I have said before that I fully understand that forecasts can go wrong but with these warnings my perception is that they are wrong (or perhaps exaggerated) more often than they are right. It also begs the question do we need to be warned about rain? Tony- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - My point was that Lawrence had criticised the warning before the event. Unless he has some special powers that enables him to forecast exactly how much rain there would be this is quite illogical and shows prejudice. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. |
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