When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone.

Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of
England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones
that are concerned with AGW.

More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT
forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big
yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic.
scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder
England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand
cart.

Lawrence13 wrote:
When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone.

Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of
England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones
that are concerned with AGW.

More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT
forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big
yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic.
scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder
England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand
cart.

--------------------
The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and
thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low
snow threats!
Dave

On Aug 22, 11:55*pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Lawrence13 wrote:
When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone.

Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of
England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones
that are concerned with AGW.

More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT
forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. *Maybe tomorrows big
yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic.
scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder
England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand
cart.

--------------------
The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and
thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low
snow threats!
Dave



The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us
weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without
saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop
and are not dismayed. I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I
have no problem with that. However when stupid 'weather warnings go
out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to
blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the
severe weather public information doom laden tosh fizzles out faster
than a pound shop firework.

I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes
compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no
seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly
forgotten.

On Aug 23, 12:38*am, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Aug 22, 11:55*pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:





Lawrence13 wrote:
When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone.

Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of
England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones
that are concerned with AGW.

More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT
forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. *Maybe tomorrows big
yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic.
scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder
England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand
cart.

--------------------
The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and
thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low
snow threats!
Dave

The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us
weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without
saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop
and are not dismayed. *I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I
have no problem with that. However when stupid *'weather warnings go
out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to
blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the
severe *weather public information *doom laden tosh fizzles out faster
than a pound shop firework.

I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes
compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no
seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly
forgotten.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't
get much rain? Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is
predicated on this basis. If the forecast does go wrong there may
well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning,
because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm
"in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). If
that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. Why not wait until tomorrow
afternoon and see what has actually happened? My own hunch is that we
will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have
little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. Why
are you? You give yourself away so easily.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet).

"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
...

On Aug 23, 12:38 am, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:





Lawrence13 wrote:
When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone.

Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of
England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones
that are concerned with AGW.

More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT
forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big
yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic.
scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder
England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand
cart.

--------------------
The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and
thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low
snow threats!
Dave

The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us
weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without
saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop
and are not dismayed. I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I
have no problem with that. However when stupid 'weather warnings go
out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to
blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the
severe weather public information doom laden tosh fizzles out faster
than a pound shop firework.

I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes
compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no
seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly
forgotten.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't
get much rain? Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is
predicated on this basis. If the forecast does go wrong there may
well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning,
because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm
"in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). If
that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. Why not wait until tomorrow
afternoon and see what has actually happened? My own hunch is that we
will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have
little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. Why
are you? You give yourself away so easily.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet).

I'm with you Lawrence. Last Thursday was a classic example of the absurdity
of it all. I had a busy weekend coming up with a game of cricket on the
Friday, a wedding on the Saturday and a game of golf on the Sunday, all in
East Anglia. Whilst we endured one of the worst August days I can remember
in Hampshire with very low temperatures and rain amounts exceeding 50mm in
places there was not one warning on the Met Office website until the event
had practically ceased.

Meanwhile the dire warnings of heavy rain for the Sunday and Monday in East
Anglia remained in place day after day until that event, like last night's
and this morning's simply failed to materialise!

I have said before that I fully understand that forecasts can go wrong but
with these warnings my perception is that they are wrong (or perhaps
exaggerated) more often than they are right.

It also begs the question do we need to be warned about rain?

Tony

On Aug 23, 10:09*am, "Tony Kenyon"
wrote:
"Tudor Hughes" *wrote in message

...

On Aug 23, 12:38 am, Lawrence13 wrote:



On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:

Lawrence13 wrote:
When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone.

Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of
England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones
that are concerned with AGW.

More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT
forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. *Maybe tomorrows big
yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic.
scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder
England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand
cart.

--------------------
The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and
thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low
snow threats!
Dave

The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us
weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without
saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop
and are not dismayed. *I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I
have no problem with that. However when stupid *'weather warnings go
out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to
blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the
severe *weather public information *doom laden tosh fizzles out faster
than a pound shop firework.

I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes
compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no
seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly
forgotten.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

* * * * * *How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't
get much rain? *Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is
predicated on this basis. *If the forecast does go wrong there may
well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning,
because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm
"in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). *If
that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. *Why not wait until tomorrow
afternoon and see what has actually happened? *My own hunch is that we
will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have
little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. *Why
are you? *You give yourself away so easily.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet).

I'm with you Lawrence. *Last Thursday was a classic example of the absurdity
of it all. I had a busy weekend coming up with a game of cricket on the
Friday, a wedding on the Saturday and a game of golf on the Sunday, all in
East Anglia. *Whilst we endured one of the worst August days I can remember
in Hampshire with very low temperatures and rain amounts exceeding 50mm in
places there was not one warning on the Met Office website until the event
had practically ceased.

Meanwhile the dire warnings of heavy rain for the Sunday and Monday in East
Anglia remained in place day after day until that event, like last night's
and this morning's simply failed to materialise!

I have said before that I fully understand that forecasts can go wrong but
with these warnings my perception is that they are wrong (or perhaps
exaggerated) more often than they are right.

It also begs the question do we need to be warned about rain?

Tony

Is it not better to warn people about it "just in case" it happens?
The current event *could* have developed into something like last
Thursday but didn't. I wasn't here but it sounds like Thursday was an
extreme event, it wasn't "just rain" but a flooding event. Surely it's
a good idea to warn people of the possibility of that.

Nick

Lawrence13 wrote:
On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:
Lawrence13 wrote:
When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone.
Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of
England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones
that are concerned with AGW.
More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT
forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big
yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic.
scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder
England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand
cart.
--------------------
The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and
thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low
snow threats!
Dave



The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us
weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without
saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop
and are not dismayed. I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I
have no problem with that. However when stupid 'weather warnings go
out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to
blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the
severe weather public information doom laden tosh fizzles out faster
than a pound shop firework.

I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes
compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no
seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly
forgotten.
---------------------
Just to let you know, being at the epicentre of the warnings and unable
to see Essex on the map for the record number of lightning symbols, I
have managed to survive the grey skies and 0.7mm of drizzle. At least
you got some rain Lawrence! As I alluded to last night, most of it was
well to the East and went through Kent. The Kirkwood girl was having
none of it this morning though and justified it by saying there had been
an overnight thunderstorm in Belgium!
Dave

"Nick" wrote in message
...

On Aug 23, 10:09 am, "Tony Kenyon"
wrote:
"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message

...

On Aug 23, 12:38 am, Lawrence13 wrote:



On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:

Lawrence13 wrote:
When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone.

Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of
England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones
that are concerned with AGW.

More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT
forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big
yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic.
scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder
England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand
cart.

--------------------
The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and
thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel
Low
snow threats!
Dave

The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us
weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without
saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop
and are not dismayed. I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I
have no problem with that. However when stupid 'weather warnings go
out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to
blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the
severe weather public information doom laden tosh fizzles out faster
than a pound shop firework.

I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes
compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no
seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly
forgotten.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't
get much rain? Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is
predicated on this basis. If the forecast does go wrong there may
well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning,
because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm
"in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). If
that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. Why not wait until tomorrow
afternoon and see what has actually happened? My own hunch is that we
will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have
little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. Why
are you? You give yourself away so easily.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet).

I'm with you Lawrence. Last Thursday was a classic example of the
absurdity
of it all. I had a busy weekend coming up with a game of cricket on the
Friday, a wedding on the Saturday and a game of golf on the Sunday, all in
East Anglia. Whilst we endured one of the worst August days I can
remember
in Hampshire with very low temperatures and rain amounts exceeding 50mm in
places there was not one warning on the Met Office website until the event
had practically ceased.

Meanwhile the dire warnings of heavy rain for the Sunday and Monday in
East
Anglia remained in place day after day until that event, like last night's
and this morning's simply failed to materialise!

I have said before that I fully understand that forecasts can go wrong but
with these warnings my perception is that they are wrong (or perhaps
exaggerated) more often than they are right.

It also begs the question do we need to be warned about rain?

Tony

Is it not better to warn people about it "just in case" it happens?
The current event *could* have developed into something like last
Thursday but didn't. I wasn't here but it sounds like Thursday was an
extreme event, it wasn't "just rain" but a flooding event. Surely it's
a good idea to warn people of the possibility of that.

Nick

Isn't that the problem though Nick; the Met Office warn of possibly dire
consequences constantly when they very rarely happen and the net result is ,
I suspect, that the only people who take any notice are journalists looking
to fill a few column inches.

I agree that it would have been useful to have had some prior warning that
Bournemouth would get flooded last Thursday but such forecasting accuracy is
impossible and although we got a lot of rain in Winchester it caused no
problems other than to our mental health!

Tony

Tony Kenyon wrote:


"Nick" wrote in message
...

On Aug 23, 10:09 am, "Tony Kenyon"
wrote:
"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message

...

On Aug 23, 12:38 am, Lawrence13 wrote:



On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:

Lawrence13 wrote:
When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone.

Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of
England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones
that are concerned with AGW.

More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT
forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. Maybe tomorrows big
yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic.
scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder
England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand
cart.

--------------------
The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East
and
thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like
Channel Low
snow threats!
Dave

The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us
weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without
saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop
and are not dismayed. I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I
have no problem with that. However when stupid 'weather warnings go
out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to
blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the
severe weather public information doom laden tosh fizzles out faster
than a pound shop firework.

I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes
compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no
seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly
forgotten.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't
get much rain? Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is
predicated on this basis. If the forecast does go wrong there may
well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning,
because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm
"in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). If
that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. Why not wait until tomorrow
afternoon and see what has actually happened? My own hunch is that we
will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have
little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. Why
are you? You give yourself away so easily.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet).

I'm with you Lawrence. Last Thursday was a classic example of the
absurdity
of it all. I had a busy weekend coming up with a game of cricket on the
Friday, a wedding on the Saturday and a game of golf on the Sunday,
all in
East Anglia. Whilst we endured one of the worst August days I can
remember
in Hampshire with very low temperatures and rain amounts exceeding
50mm in
places there was not one warning on the Met Office website until the
event
had practically ceased.

Meanwhile the dire warnings of heavy rain for the Sunday and Monday in
East
Anglia remained in place day after day until that event, like last
night's
and this morning's simply failed to materialise!

I have said before that I fully understand that forecasts can go wrong
but
with these warnings my perception is that they are wrong (or perhaps
exaggerated) more often than they are right.

It also begs the question do we need to be warned about rain?

Tony

Is it not better to warn people about it "just in case" it happens?
The current event *could* have developed into something like last
Thursday but didn't. I wasn't here but it sounds like Thursday was an
extreme event, it wasn't "just rain" but a flooding event. Surely it's
a good idea to warn people of the possibility of that.

Nick

Isn't that the problem though Nick; the Met Office warn of possibly dire
consequences constantly when they very rarely happen and the net result
is , I suspect, that the only people who take any notice are journalists
looking to fill a few column inches.

I agree that it would have been useful to have had some prior warning
that Bournemouth would get flooded last Thursday but such forecasting
accuracy is impossible and although we got a lot of rain in Winchester
it caused no problems other than to our mental health!

Tony
--------------------
You do lose some street cred. with your family and friends as the
"Weather Boffin" though when you warn them of the dire weather that
turns out to be drizzle!
Dave

On Aug 23, 10:09*am, "Tony Kenyon"
wrote:
"Tudor Hughes" *wrote in message

...

On Aug 23, 12:38 am, Lawrence13 wrote:





On Aug 22, 11:55 pm, Dave Cornwell wrote:

Lawrence13 wrote:
When You Weather Warn With MetO Woebegone.

Yes for two days now big yellow weather warning over the South of
England then I guess it was abducted by Aliens you know those ones
that are concerned with AGW.

More UKMO melodramatic tripe and let's face it when it comes to OTT
forecasts AGWUKMO really know their onions. *Maybe tomorrows big
yellow blob may yet be justified , but really it is pathetic.
scaremongering in the vein of 'elf & safety codswallop, no wonder
England's going to hell in a legally maintained and serviced hand
cart.

--------------------
The 11.30pm radar rain band seems to have taken a leap to the East and
thinned. I hope it's not going to do a channel skimmer like Channel Low
snow threats!
Dave

The funny thing is Dave when these grim warnings go out all of us
weather nuts shout whoopee, we don't cower in fear, so it goes without
saying that most of us are looking forward to Crash Bang and Wallop
and are not dismayed. *I understand that a forecast can go wrong; I
have no problem with that. However when stupid *'weather warnings go
out that always tend to be wrong- well UKMO have only their selves to
blame when they get some stick. The times this has happened, when the
severe *weather public information *doom laden tosh fizzles out faster
than a pound shop firework.

I really wish I'd keep some kind of record over the years of outcomes
compared to predictions, sadly it seems we live in an age where no
seems to care if its all fantasy , it's all quickly
forgotten.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

* * * * * *How do you know it's going to go wrong and that we won't
get much rain? *Your entire posting, and your earlier one, is
predicated on this basis. *If the forecast does go wrong there may
well be cause for criticism of the forecast, but not the warning,
because I have just heard (R4, 0030) that some places may get 50 mm
"in a very short time" (Philip Avery, in fairly measured tones). *If
that isn't worth a warning, nothing is. *Why not wait until tomorrow
afternoon and see what has actually happened? *My own hunch is that we
will not get that much - it will just miss us to the east but I have
little confidence in that judgement so I'm not shouting the odds. *Why
are you? *You give yourself away so easily.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey (no rain yet).

I'm with you Lawrence. *Last Thursday was a classic example of the absurdity
of it all. I had a busy weekend coming up with a game of cricket on the
Friday, a wedding on the Saturday and a game of golf on the Sunday, all in
East Anglia. *Whilst we endured one of the worst August days I can remember
in Hampshire with very low temperatures and rain amounts exceeding 50mm in
places there was not one warning on the Met Office website until the event
had practically ceased.

Meanwhile the dire warnings of heavy rain for the Sunday and Monday in East
Anglia remained in place day after day until that event, like last night's
and this morning's simply failed to materialise!

I have said before that I fully understand that forecasts can go wrong but
with these warnings my perception is that they are wrong (or perhaps
exaggerated) more often than they are right.

It also begs the question do we need to be warned about rain?

Tony- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

My point was that Lawrence had criticised the warning before
the event. Unless he has some special powers that enables him to
forecast exactly how much rain there would be this is quite illogical
and shows prejudice.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.