I am heartily sick of BBC weatherpresenterettes endlessly parroting
the phrase "this weather is most unusual for the time of year". Girls,
didn't they teach you anything at how- to- stand- in- front- of-a-
weather- chart- looking- pretty- school?. The default British summer
is disturbed, with occasional bouts of quite severe weather. It is
replete with cancelled ferries, wrecked boats, downed trees and gale-
damaged buildings.That must be true because I hear you repeating this
litany once a month or so in most summers.
Admittedly this particular bout is a little more disturbed than usual,
but rare it is not. Doubtless there is someone out there who can tell
us when we last had a "green autumn" in June-I bet it's not that long
ago.
It's only six years since we last had a settled summer. I'd guess,
statistically speaking, one isn't even coming up over the horizon.

The default British summer
is disturbed, with occasional bouts of quite severe weather. It is
replete with cancelled ferries, wrecked boats, downed trees and gale-
damaged buildings.
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True, but I think it's fair to say we haven't had one defaulting to this
extent that often in the last 15 years!

On Friday, 8 June 2012 11:01:04 UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:

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True, but I think it's fair to say we haven't had one defaulting to this
extent that often in the last 15 years!

Somewhat more common in the 60s/70s/80s, IIRC. Maybe we're getting back into that "groove". I hope not.

Pretty rough this morning, here, with the garden plants taking a battering and I've left the tumbled pots of taller plants where they are, until the storm dies down. I'd agree with you, Dave, that I can't recall winds quite this severe in June, in my 14 years in this part of the UK. Let's hope it's that long before it happens again.

- Tom
Blackmore, SW Essex

On Jun 8, 11:01*am, Dave Cornwell wrote:
The default British summer is disturbed, with occasional bouts of quite severe weather. It is
replete with cancelled ferries, wrecked boats, downed trees and gale-
damaged buildings.

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True, but I think it's fair to say we haven't had one defaulting to this
extent that often in the last 15 years!

!5 years, you say. Hmm. I think it's a good few years less than that,
although this may be because I'm an ingrained pessimist about British
weather. Someone out there must have a statistic!

haaark wrote:
On Jun 8, 11:01 am, Dave Cornwell wrote:
The default British summer is disturbed, with occasional bouts of quite severe weather. It is
replete with cancelled ferries, wrecked boats, downed trees and gale-
damaged buildings.
-------------------------------
True, but I think it's fair to say we haven't had one defaulting to this
extent that often in the last 15 years!

!5 years, you say. Hmm. I think it's a good few years less than that,
although this may be because I'm an ingrained pessimist about British
weather. Someone out there must have a statistic!
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The fabulous March hasn't helped either - I think there is a perception
that summer started in April after that, giving the impression that the
summer has had almost three poor months already which of course is not
the case!

"haaark" wrote in message
...
I am heartily sick of BBC weatherpresenterettes endlessly parroting
the phrase "this weather is most unusual for the time of year". Girls,
didn't they teach you anything at how- to- stand- in- front- of-a-
weather- chart- looking- pretty- school?. The default British summer
is disturbed, with occasional bouts of quite severe weather. It is
replete with cancelled ferries, wrecked boats, downed trees and gale-
damaged buildings.That must be true because I hear you repeating this
litany once a month or so in most summers.
Admittedly this particular bout is a little more disturbed than usual,
but rare it is not. Doubtless there is someone out there who can tell
us when we last had a "green autumn" in June-I bet it's not that long
ago.
It's only six years since we last had a settled summer. I'd guess,
statistically speaking, one isn't even coming up over the horizon.

A lot of that make sense Haaark,but it's a bit dispiriting to note we are
into our sixth poor summer on the trot considering we are now deep into AWG.
The new statistiical mantra is blazing hot summers should be the norm and
all of us old folk should be sheltering in a darkened room.
Actually my drought resistant plants are really struggling to keep their
heads above water !.

RonB

On Jun 8, 10:53*am, haaark wrote:
I am heartily sick of BBC weatherpresenterettes endlessly parroting
the phrase "this weather is most unusual for the time of year". Girls,
didn't they teach you anything at how- to- stand- in- front- of-a-
weather- chart- looking- pretty- school?. The default British summer
is disturbed, with occasional bouts of quite severe weather. It is
replete with cancelled ferries, wrecked boats, downed trees and gale-
damaged buildings.That must be true because I hear you repeating this
litany once a month or so in most summers.
Admittedly this particular bout is a little more disturbed than usual,
but rare it is not. Doubtless there is someone out there who can tell
us when we last had a "green autumn" in June-I bet it's not that long
ago.
It's only six years since we last had a settled summer. I'd guess,
statistically speaking, one isn't even coming up over the horizon.

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I couldn't agree more; and it's the media in general (even the wider
public) who are surprisingly surprised by this unsurprising
occurence.

Early June is more often cyclonic than otherwise (as identified by
Hubert Lamb, for example).

The first part of June 1944 was very similar, as Group Captain Stagg
could testify as he wrestled with the forecast for the D-Day landings.

I would say that the current depression is unusually deep for June,
but that's all.


Stephen.

On Jun 8, 10:53*am, haaark wrote:
I am heartily sick of BBC weatherpresenterettes endlessly parroting
the phrase "this weather is most unusual for the time of year". Girls,
didn't they teach you anything at how- to- stand- in- front- of-a-
weather- chart- looking- pretty- school?. The default British summer
is disturbed, with occasional bouts of quite severe weather. It is
replete with cancelled ferries, wrecked boats, downed trees and gale-
damaged buildings.That must be true because I hear you repeating this
litany once a month or so in most summers.
Admittedly this particular bout is a little more disturbed than usual,
but rare it is not. Doubtless there is someone out there who can tell
us when we last had a "green autumn" in June-I bet it's not that long
ago.

Some wet days might be normal for summer, but pushing 24-hours of
strong winds only seen 5 times maximum in the preceding autumn and
winter
can surely not be considered usual in June, just like 25C is not
normal in October. Can happen, but I still think the phase "most
unusual" is a valid
one, as it would be for March (20C+) or October (25C+) heatwaves.

It's only six years since we last had a settled summer. I'd guess,
statistically speaking, one isn't even coming up over the horizon.

But in the 1983 to 2006 period, we had settled summers pretty
frequently.
1983, 84, 89, 90, 94, 95, 2003 and 2006 were all definitely good
summers in the south
of England and if you also count the "good weather predominating over
the bad" summers of
1991, 1996, 1997 and 2005, this gives a "decent" summer once every two
years in that period.
Since then, I'd struggle to consider any summer decent, but June was
rubbish in 1990 and 1997 so who knows,
maybe this year.

Having said that, what's worrying looking back on the apparently-
ghastly summers of the 50s and 60s, that thankfully I didn't have to
endure,
is that the recent period ending in 2006 was an aberration. I really
do hope not.

Nick

I think the constant mentioning of where say it will be windiest does
not help. "Winds could gust up to 70mph in exposed areas" is very
unhelpful as 99% of the people viewing do not know where this is and
will, along with the Daily Mail and Express, just assume that this
means "at you location"

"they say its going to be 70mph winds" etc - all this does is
undermine the forecasts.

brian
aberfeldy

ronbutton scrive:

A lot of that make sense Haaark,but it's a bit dispiriting to note we
are into our sixth poor summer on the trot considering we are now deep
into AWG.


A bit early to judge the current summer as it is only 8 days old.

--
Gianna
Peterhead, Scotland

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