On Saturday, 25 August 2012 12:07:58 UTC+1, wrote:
"Lawrence13" wrote in message

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Nope Maybe its me but I can't help think we live in an age of madness

where real serious H&S issues like being able to walk home at night

without feeling nervous or actually involved in a crime, or going to

hospital and coming back out better then you went in.


Good for you Will.
When my mother was rushed to Lewisham Hospital with septicaemia about 6 years ago she was so sick she didn't have a clue where she was two African nurses came to her bed and grunted tried to manhandle her upwards when she clearly couldn't stand let alone understand her situation. As they manhandled her upwards to a standing position her hospital gown was undone exposing her . I told my mother and them to let her sit back down whilst I searched for a wheel chair. As I went to get this wheelchair an elderly very confused man called to me for water when I went to speak to him those same two wonderful angels shouted at me telling me not to speak to him. Of course I told them what to do.
Another personal experience for you: an old lady we befriended years ago was taken to Farnborough Hospital when the old wooden shed wards were there for a urinary tract infection-always a cause for great confusion with the elderly. Anyhow when I called the ward and went through the preposterous confidentiality ****e I finally asked whether I should bring this persons clothing down with me when I came to visit. I was then given a speech saying of course bring them we encourage people here to be up, about and dressed in their own clothing, how could you (me) think otherwise. Well I went to visit her and there she was laying in bed soaked in urine.

I could go on Will and I will, how about this one
http://4unews.com/world/kane-gorny-b...t-death/50565/

A young lad with a brain tumour getting a hip replacement in the Tooting Bec Hospital St Georges is so neglected despite his mothers constant pleas to the ignorant staff at the nurses station dies with dehydration . The poor lad was so desperate he struggled and called the police on his mobile. When they arrived the wonderful attentive staff were told he was an awkward patient. so they put him in a side room where he died of dehydration the very next day.
Or how about this one http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...-hospital.html.

You seem to be suggesting Will that because you had good treatment everything is okay and my personal experiences are fictitious or valueless, so what do you make of all the rest, the tens of thousands of MRSA deaths, the neglect, the treatment of the elderly. Don't you think the NHS should deal with these things before spouting tripe with UKMO over COPCD.

By the way Will how did you cut your head?




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Lawrence last Sunday I was in Exeter A&E with a 2 inch cut down to the bone

on my forehead and a 1 inch deep cut on my cheek. I was looked after

beautifully. Continually informed what was to happen and why and I was

stitched up by an experienced facial surgeon. Now I am much better, not

feeling terribly great, but far better than if I never had the treatment.

The paramedics and all nursing and other staff were great!

But that's just my experience.



Will

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http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm

Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)

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On Saturday, 25 August 2012 12:36:37 UTC+1, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Saturday, 25 August 2012 12:12:32 UTC+1, wrote:

"Lawrence13" wrote in message



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On Saturday, 25 August 2012 09:51:29 UTC+1,



wrote:



"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message











So when did this 'stricter regime' start to apply itself.

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On Friday, 24 August 2012 21:42:15 UTC+1, Lawrence13 wrote:







Go get lost you tax paid feeble idiotic namby pamby idiots







http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/w...?regionName=se Be







carefull out there. Oh *&%^ Off you big girls blouses



















Tudor wrote:















Don't get in such a rage, Lawrie, and in reference to your later



post,







leave the politics out of it, for there is ample scope for mockery here



and







for making more serious points.







"Surface water flooding", a recent addition to the lexicon of the







verbally incontinent, means there could be big puddles in the road,



really







big ones. Driving through heavy rain you could go through one, quite







unexpectedly, and few of us have the savvy the connect heavy rain with







seriously wet roads. In any case the term is "local minor flooding"..







The real hazards are fog (where am I? Into the back of another



car),







snow (you may not get home) and severe gales (bits flying about, trees







down). A longer-term and often unexpected hazard is rivers bursting



their







banks, something we are usually well warned of and with good reason. But



we







do not need to be told of the localised consequences of heavy showers,







because that's what this is. The rain is covered in the normal forecast



and







is not itself a true hazard, unlike the elements mentioned earlier.







====================================







====================================















The Met Office now works in partnership with the EA on flooding issues.



EA







hydrologists and MetO forecasters now work together in the same room..



Some







have both skills and are called hydrometeorologists.















Flooding can either be pluvial, fluvial or a mixture of both. The term







surface water flooding is used for pluvial events (i.e. torrential rain)



to







distinguish them from fluvial events (rivers overflowing banks). I doubt



the







public would understand the difference between fluvial and pluvial. Local







minor floding would not distinguish either.















Finally the warning system is totally impacts based. No expected



impacts -







no warning. When the water table is high minor rain events will get a







warning for possible flooding. Likewise 1 inch snowfalls in the Highlands







will get no warning but will in London for obvious reasons.















The MetO are obliged to warn under strict criteria with a little bit of







leeway. Flooding can kill (and it has in Devon) and I would expect flood







warnings to continue.















Will







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Couple of things Will.







You say the MetO are obliged under strict criteria : has this always been



the case and where does that come from?











More strict nowadays and as part of the Public Weather Service Customer



Group who are meant to consult with the public and government departments on



requirements.







Also where are they expected to inform the public? Lets face it the bulk



of the population thet are obliged to warn don't even know there is a UKMO



let alone visit the website.











TV, radio, mobile phone apps, twitter, facebook, .......







Now I can accept that torrential rain following after a wet period can



cause flooding but here last night in my part of the SE we had a couple of



showers











But other parts may have been different? What was your local automated site



forecast for Sydenham?



Check out todays!



http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/w...ecast/sydenham



Bookmark it for future ref :-)







Really should thes warnings be for the general public are they in danger?







Some idiots will be.







http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm



Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)



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So when did this stricter regime start to apply itself?



As for "some idiots". Are these idiots the sort of people that would be looking for warnings on the UKMO website-I doubt it very much. Alernativley if there is a danger then maybe the news outlest should warn the public or that idiotic part of the public. I mean my son was out in Sydenham last night did he need to be made aware of the possible dangers of rain? I meaan I would have thought that if getting wet was an issue then taht is incumbent upon the person going out to cheack one of the thousands of weather forecasts issued every single day, then he could avoid getting wet but awarning for idiots in the SE ? For what getting wet? Now if rivers are in danger of flooding or agriculture for example then surely the EA would warn locally anywhere in danger of flooding.



But a general yellow be aware of 'rain?' is way over the top.



Biggest danger in Sydenham at the moment is the rare puddles left from the first yellow warning are now in danger of dissapearing rapidly so we now need a puddle shartage warning as puddle scan confuse and present a clear danger to the public. I mean it goes on how about a sarcastic silly whinging post warning system for people who were made aware by the yellow warning system but found there was no danger or hardly any rain to speak off and wanted to nknow why there was an intial warning in the first place.



It never rains it just pours

Hold on a mo Will!!!!!!

I've just found out how you cut your head. You fell whislt climbing in areas that would go of the UKMO scale where danger was concerened.

So you think warnings for dangerous rain sre justified especially where idiots are concerened and then you go an fall scrambling over rocks in an arrea where the weather can turn and actually be dangerous. And now you plan to do the same up the Himalaya's . As for your NHS treatment: I think you were lucky to get it considering you realised the dangers but still took risks . Self inflicted if you ask me.

Rain in towns = dangerous
Climbing rocks and mountains = safe

Sounds Orwellian if you ask me.

"Lawrence13" wrote in message
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Hold on a mo Will!!!!!!

I've just found out how you cut your head. You fell whislt climbing in
areas that would go of the UKMO scale where danger was concerened.

So you think warnings for dangerous rain sre justified especially where
idiots are concerened and then you go an fall scrambling over rocks in an
arrea where the weather can turn and actually be dangerous. And now you plan
to do the same up the Himalaya's . As for your NHS treatment: I think you
were lucky to get it considering you realised the dangers but still took
risks . Self inflicted if you ask me.

Rain in towns = dangerous
Climbing rocks and mountains = safe

Sounds Orwellian if you ask me.
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I was walking by a river when I fell on slippery rocks. It can happen to
anyone, even a very experienced walker like myself. Going to the Himalayas
is called trekking, along good paths where the main danger is altitude
mountain sickness, which can potentially kill you. Very very unlikely though
as the cure is to descend immediately you get the warning signs (and I know
those). I intend to enjoy the rest of my life but also give something back
too, e.g. joining mountain rescue myself. By idiots I meant the fools who
drive like crazy into large puddles of water without knowing what is
underneath. I'd never cross a river like that, there are ways to cross
rivers and just charging in is not one of them. And as you said it, I find
dartmoor far far safer than London to be honest, mainly because there are no
people and vehicles to worry about - just you respecting nature!

Will
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On 25/08/12 13:23, Lawrence13 wrote:

Hold on a mo Will!!!!!!

I've just found out how you cut your head. You fell whislt climbing in areas that would go of the UKMO scale where danger was concerened.

So you think warnings for dangerous rain sre justified especially where idiots are concerened and then you go an fall scrambling over rocks in an arrea where the weather can turn and actually be dangerous. And now you plan to do the same up the Himalaya's . As for your NHS treatment: I think you were lucky to get it considering you realised the dangers but still took risks . Self inflicted if you ask me.

Rain in towns = dangerous
Climbing rocks and mountains = safe

Sounds Orwellian if you ask me.

Utter rubbish. Walking/rambling/hiking is a very safe activity. You are
far more likely to have an accident driving to the start of the walk
than on the walk itself.

Sorry, but I get a little annoyed when people make unfounded assertions
about the risk of activities that they are clueless about, and thus
judge on feeling, perception and so-called "common sense" rather than
objectivity, evidence and real world data.

On 25/08/2012 11:58, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Saturday, 25 August 2012 11:02:58 UTC+1, tim wrote:
On 24/08/2012 21:42, Lawrence13 wrote:

Go get lost you tax paid feeble idiotic namby pamby idiots



http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/w...?regionName=se



Be carefull out there.



Oh *&%^ Off you big girls blouses





Oh well, rain since midnight 0.00mm here in east Hertfordshire. Either

my local recording station is not working properly or the warning must

have been rather too generalised.


Was the rain worth a warning are all safe?


Hmm I must have spoken a bit too soon, as now (18:30) the guage shows 7.4mm.

On 25/08/2012 18:16, Adam Lea wrote:
On 25/08/12 13:23, Lawrence13 wrote:

Hold on a mo Will!!!!!!

I've just found out how you cut your head. You fell whislt climbing
in areas that would go of the UKMO scale where danger was concerened.

So you think warnings for dangerous rain sre justified especially
where idiots are concerened and then you go an fall scrambling over
rocks in an arrea where the weather can turn and actually be
dangerous. And now you plan to do the same up the Himalaya's . As for
your NHS treatment: I think you were lucky to get it considering you
realised the dangers but still took risks . Self inflicted if you ask me.

Rain in towns = dangerous
Climbing rocks and mountains = safe

Sounds Orwellian if you ask me.

Utter rubbish. Walking/rambling/hiking is a very safe activity. You are
far more likely to have an accident driving to the start of the walk
than on the walk itself.

Sorry, but I get a little annoyed when people make unfounded assertions
about the risk of activities that they are clueless about, and thus
judge on feeling, perception and so-called "common sense" rather than
objectivity, evidence and real world data.

I've rambled over hills since I was a child, and now I'm 50 years old
and I've never suffered an accident. Mainly because I respect the
environment and that I know it's going to be hard to rescue me, in the
back of beyond. Also, it could be dangerous for the mountain rescue
team, and any paramedics that rescue me. This is why I wear the
appropriate clothing.

I’ve had three serious accidents, all have happened in the city. Twice
I was knocked off my motorbike, once by a delivery driver, the other
time it was a skip hire lorry driver. The other serious accident was
my own fault when I fell off a ladder onto a tarmac drive.

Joe
Wolverhampton.

On Saturday, August 25, 2012 6:16:35 PM UTC+1, Adam Lea wrote:
On 25/08/12 13:23, Lawrence13 wrote:



Hold on a mo Will!!!!!!



I've just found out how you cut your head. You fell whislt climbing in areas that would go of the UKMO scale where danger was concerened.



So you think warnings for dangerous rain sre justified especially where idiots are concerened and then you go an fall scrambling over rocks in an arrea where the weather can turn and actually be dangerous. And now you plan to do the same up the Himalaya's . As for your NHS treatment: I think you were lucky to get it considering you realised the dangers but still took risks . Self inflicted if you ask me.



Rain in towns = dangerous

Climbing rocks and mountains = safe



Sounds Orwellian if you ask me.



Utter rubbish. Walking/rambling/hiking is a very safe activity. You are

far more likely to have an accident driving to the start of the walk

than on the walk itself.



Sorry, but I get a little annoyed when people make unfounded assertions

about the risk of activities that they are clueless about, and thus

judge on feeling, perception and so-called "common sense" rather than

objectivity, evidence and real world data.

So Adam walking the streets of a town/city holds far more danger in the rain than walking on moorland? What planet are you living on.

sorry but I get annoyed when people talk drivel

Lawrence13 wrote in
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When my mother was rushed to Lewisham Hospital with septicaemia about
6 years ago she was so sick she didn't have a clue where she was two
African nurses came to her bed and grunted tried to manhandle her
upwards when she clearly couldn't stand let alone understand her
situation. As they manhandled her upwards to a standing position her
hospital gown was undone exposing her

Seeing as tiresome NHS-bashing is de rigueur these days: two lots of
angioplasty, successful treatment for advanced bladder cancer, triple
heart bypass last year, major operation to siphon out 4 pints of blood
from internal bleeding after he fell of our roof (not to mention a
hernia, a circumcision and having bits of wood removed from his arm
following a gardening accident). My Dad, 79, still with us. All thanks to
the NHS.

Over and out,
Richard

On 25/08/12 23:09, Lawrence13 wrote:
On Saturday, August 25, 2012 6:16:35 PM UTC+1, Adam Lea wrote:
On 25/08/12 13:23, Lawrence13 wrote:



Hold on a mo Will!!!!!!



I've just found out how you cut your head. You fell whislt climbing in areas that would go of the UKMO scale where danger was concerened.



So you think warnings for dangerous rain sre justified especially where idiots are concerened and then you go an fall scrambling over rocks in an arrea where the weather can turn and actually be dangerous. And now you plan to do the same up the Himalaya's . As for your NHS treatment: I think you were lucky to get it considering you realised the dangers but still took risks . Self inflicted if you ask me.



Rain in towns = dangerous

Climbing rocks and mountains = safe



Sounds Orwellian if you ask me.



Utter rubbish. Walking/rambling/hiking is a very safe activity. You are

far more likely to have an accident driving to the start of the walk

than on the walk itself.



Sorry, but I get a little annoyed when people make unfounded assertions

about the risk of activities that they are clueless about, and thus

judge on feeling, perception and so-called "common sense" rather than

objectivity, evidence and real world data.

So Adam walking the streets of a town/city holds far more danger in the rain than walking on moorland? What planet are you living on.

sorry but I get annoyed when people talk drivel

I also get annoyed with people who try to claim I said something I haven't.

In message ,
Lawrence13 writes
Denis

Now listen I never personally insult people -unless they start it- and
I'm not going to with you. However I accept my posts usually revolve
around AGW -of which I believe you accept is happening, and the other
is generally around the H&S madness which coupled with AGW hyperbole
also permeate UKMO and as this is a weather NG I guess that is on
topic. Now you can either read my posts or not just as others have
chosen to do, however your personal snipes are well over the top. I
repeat what I said to you several months back. I never say anything on
a NG that I wouldn't say to their face. Now if you would like to email
me as my email is valid whereas yours is not; we can arrange to tell
each other what we think face to face. I don't mean in a threatening
way but once people are actually physically in the same space then the
mouth tends to shrink and the politeness enlarges. I've put this offer
to you once before and it seemed to shut you up, but alas the laudanum
seems to have got the better of you once again.


Well I recall you called me a ****, something I'd never do. Still you
never insult do you ? Mind I don't find you threatening in the least,
keyboard warriors are pretty obvious.

Just because I disagree with your skewed and neurotic (psychotic?) view
of the world doesn't indicate that I believe in AGW. You obviously bear
a grudge about life all round. I recall you craved an extreme right wing
government, now we've got one sadly, you still moan. I really hope that
one day you gain personal experience of the right wing and suffer as a
result. Don't take that too personally I wish it on all rabid right
wingers, I'm not singling you out for special treatment.

I've said this before, you like to give it out but you can't take it.

One thing you do have right, my address was wrong. I've just started
using a new PC and realise I'd wrongly set up my newsgroup detail. The
address shown above will work.
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Denis Allan