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Is there a good reason why isobars on a surface pressure chart are spaced
at 4 mb? I would have thought 5 mb spacing would have made more sense. TIA -- MCC |
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"MCC" wrote in message ...
Is there a good reason why isobars on a surface pressure chart are spaced t 4 mb? I would have thought 5 mb spacing would have made more sense. IA - CC 4-mb gives slightly more detail and also can be easily divided by 2 to give 2-mb spacing if desired. Ian Bingham, Inchmarlo, Aberdeenshire. |
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MCC scrive:
Is there a good reason why isobars on a surface pressure chart are spaced at 4 mb? I would have thought 5 mb spacing would have made more sense. TIA I have no idea of the correct answer, if there is one, but it would seem possible that 4 was selected because it is a third of a dozen (or a fifth of twenty) and the original measurements would have been 'imperial' rather than the more 'metric' 5. Just a wild guess. -- Gianna Peterhead, Scotland |
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On May 16, 1:11*pm, MCC wrote:
Is there a good reason why isobars on a surface pressure chart are spaced at 4 mb? I would have thought 5 mb spacing would have made more sense. TIA -- MCC 5 mb is too wide but is used by GFS maybe because it corresponds very closely to the 4 dam interval in the 500-mb charts and thickness charts. In summer, particularly, a smaller interval than 4 mb would be useful because of the weaker pressure fields. Also, in a mesoanalysis, a smaller interval is needed, even 1 mb. The interval of 4 mb has a long history, even going back to the days when isobars were labelled in inches of mercury. It's about right. Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey. |
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My thanks to all who replied.
4 mb separation now makes sense to me. I must admit I've never seen a chart with other then 4 mb separation, or if I have, I've not noticed the difference. -- MCC |
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![]() "MCC" schreef in bericht ... My thanks to all who replied. 4 mb separation now makes sense to me. I must admit I've never seen a chart with other then 4 mb separation, or if I have, I've not noticed the difference. -- MCC October 1945 in the RAF Met. Trainingschool in Kilburn. Mr. Boyden told us that isobars that should be drawn with an interval of 4 mbar. One of my countrymen remarked that in The Netherlands the spacing was 5 mbar. 'O well, you must have a very good Met' answered the (much esteemed) Mr. Boyden. Sytze Stel |
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Op donderdag 16 mei 2013 22:06:55 UTC+2 schreef Sytze Stel het volgende:
... One of my countrymen remarked that in The Netherlands the spacing was 5 mbar. .... and of course it still is http://www.knmi.nl/waarschuwingen_en...eerkaarten.php - Click on the chart to enlarge it. Colin Youngs Brussels |
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On Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:11:13 PM UTC+1, MCC wrote:
Is there a good reason why isobars on a surface pressure chart are spaced at 4 mb? I would have thought 5 mb spacing would have made more sense. TIA -- MCC It's an interesting question. When pressure was measured in inches, isobars were drawn at 0.2 inch intervals and I thought thee may be a correlation there but there isn't. Isobar intervals can be 2mb, 4mb or 8mb depending on the scale of the chart used so I suspect it's for that reason. ( hectoPascals (hPa)is the correct term these days!) |
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On 2013-05-17 12:26:36 +0000, Desperate Dan said:
On Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:11:13 PM UTC+1, MCC wrote: Is there a good reason why isobars on a surface pressure chart are spaced at 4 mb? I would have thought 5 mb spacing would have made more sense. TIA -- MCC It's an interesting question. When pressure was measured in inches, isobars were drawn at 0.2 inch intervals and I thought thee may be a correlation there but there isn't. Isobar intervals can be 2mb, 4mb or 8mb depending on the scale of the chart used so I suspect it's for that reason. ( hectoPascals (hPa)is the correct term these days!) I remember gradient winds being measured on a geostrophic scale in the 'old days'. Could it be that a 4mb interval was deemed the most convenient spacing (on a UK and Eastern Atlantic chart) for accurate measurement with a pair of dividers that had a physical limit to how far apart they could be opened? |
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![]() "yttiw" wrote in message news:2013051713394928785-cuddles@britpostcom... On 2013-05-17 12:26:36 +0000, Desperate Dan said: On Thursday, May 16, 2013 1:11:13 PM UTC+1, MCC wrote: Is there a good reason why isobars on a surface pressure chart are spaced at 4 mb? I would have thought 5 mb spacing would have made more sense. TIA -- MCC It's an interesting question. When pressure was measured in inches, isobars were drawn at 0.2 inch intervals and I thought thee may be a correlation there but there isn't. Isobar intervals can be 2mb, 4mb or 8mb depending on the scale of the chart used so I suspect it's for that reason. ( hectoPascals (hPa)is the correct term these days!) I remember gradient winds being measured on a geostrophic scale in the 'old days'. Could it be that a 4mb interval was deemed the most convenient spacing (on a UK and Eastern Atlantic chart) for accurate measurement with a pair of dividers that had a physical limit to how far apart they could be opened? I thought it might be a hang over from a previous system and found that 4 mb equals 3 Torrs. So if meteorologist at the time of the change were used to thinking in cm Hg then perhaps they may have chosen 4 mb to make the mental conversion back to the old system easier? Or, if they were working in inches then 3 mm is appoximately equal to 0.1" and nearly equal to 1/8". Does anyone know what the spacing was before mb/hPa was introduced? Cheers, Alastair. |
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