On Thursday, 24 October 2013 01:06:21 UTC+1, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:59:46 UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:





Yes: you see me as a trouble maker, don't you Adam



****ing well grow up.

You have to be one of the most childish schoolyard fighters going.

No I'm just trying to point out the hostility shown on the NG to anyone who dares question the human portion of co2 that is apparently trumping and driving all other climatic drivers. As for you Michael its hard to hostile towards anything you write as no one knows what the fu%$ you are babbling on about.

On Thursday, 24 October 2013 07:54:47 UTC+1, Jeff wrote:
On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:06:21 -0700 (PDT), Weatherlawyer

wrote:



On Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:59:46 UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:





Yes: you see me as a trouble maker, don't you Adam



****ing well grow up.

You have to be one of the most childish schoolyard fighters going.



Another one for the kill file

Your choice I'm devastated.

Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Thursday, 24 October 2013 01:06:21 UTC+1, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:59:46 UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins
wrote:





Yes: you see me as a trouble maker, don't you Adam



****ing well grow up.

You have to be one of the most childish schoolyard fighters going.

No I'm just trying to point out the hostility shown on the NG to
anyone who dares question the human portion of co2 that is apparently
trumping and driving all other climatic drivers.

It's not so much hostility towards questioning AGW in itself but the
conspiracy-based, veering on paranoid 'Reds under the bed' approach
you take. The Met Office with their 'agenda' and the twin socialist evils
of the Guardian & the BBC.
--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

On Thursday, 24 October 2013 18:38:30 UTC+1, Col wrote:
Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

On Thursday, 24 October 2013 01:06:21 UTC+1, Weatherlawyer wrote:

On Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:59:46 UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins

wrote:











Yes: you see me as a trouble maker, don't you Adam







****ing well grow up.



You have to be one of the most childish schoolyard fighters going.



No I'm just trying to point out the hostility shown on the NG to

anyone who dares question the human portion of co2 that is apparently

trumping and driving all other climatic drivers.



It's not so much hostility towards questioning AGW in itself but the

conspiracy-based, veering on paranoid 'Reds under the bed' approach

you take. The Met Office with their 'agenda' and the twin socialist evils

of the Guardian & the BBC.

--

Col



Bolton, Lancashire

160m asl

Snow videos:

http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Fair enough answer but through personal experience I know how these things work when an ideology takes over an organisation from the top downwards.


For example when the IPCC released it's 5th assessment a well known meteorologist emailed me telling me that all at Exeter had been briefed with the 'party line' as it were if approached by the press. I've also heard tales from the inside that people are scared to show a contrary position inside UKMO as indeed I saw the same thing mentioned the other day for a similar American organisation.

On Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:27:02 PM UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
On Thursday, 24 October 2013 18:38:30 UTC+1, Col wrote:

Lawrence Jenkins wrote:



On Thursday, 24 October 2013 01:06:21 UTC+1, Weatherlawyer wrote:



On Wednesday, 23 October 2013 23:59:46 UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins

wrote:
Yes: you see me as a trouble maker, don't you Adam















****ing well grow up.







You have to be one of the most childish schoolyard fighters going.







No I'm just trying to point out the hostility shown on the NG to



anyone who dares question the human portion of co2 that is apparently



trumping and driving all other climatic drivers.







It's not so much hostility towards questioning AGW in itself but the



conspiracy-based, veering on paranoid 'Reds under the bed' approach



you take. The Met Office with their 'agenda' and the twin socialist evils



of the Guardian & the BBC.



--



Col







Bolton, Lancashire



160m asl



Snow videos:



http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

Fair enough answer but through personal experience I know how these things work when an ideology takes over an organisation from the top downwards.

Prove it. I very much doubt this happened. It is more probably that it is just your far right-wing mentality that thinks it did, because you didn't like what was happening.

For example when the IPCC released it's 5th assessment a well known meteorologist emailed me telling me that all at Exeter had been briefed with the 'party line' as it were if approached by the press.

Really. Again, prove it; don't just say it.

I've also heard tales from the inside........

No you haven't. You are now just making it up.

........ that people are scared to show a contrary position inside UKMO as indeed I saw the same thing mentioned the other day for a similar American organisation.

An utterly ridiculous post, which you will fail to substantiate and probably end up throwing your toys out of the pram when you are pressed to.

On Thursday, 24 October 2013 21:11:27 UTC+2, Dawlish wrote:


Really. Again, prove it; don't just say it.


How can he prove it? It was a private conversation between him and someone else. WHat do you want, witnesses?



An utterly ridiculous post, which you will fail to substantiate and probably end up throwing your toys out of the pram when you are pressed to.

The usual childish insult, queue more....

On 24/10/2013 11:22, yttiw wrote:
On 2013-10-24 09:46:08 +0000, Martin Brown said:

On 24/10/2013 10:32, yttiw wrote:
On 2013-10-24 06:51:23 +0000, Robin Nicholson said:

On 23 Oct 2013 19:26:39 GMT, "Norman" wrote:

My sentiments exactly, Graham. I don't know what all the fuss is
about. I don't
see any of the trash. This place is fine for me.

I agree too BUT the one thing I truly miss is useful commentary from
ex Met office chaps who live down here not too far from Dorset.

Naturally i do look around usually with my morning first tea but my
personal interest is aroused when the weather becomes more dynamic.
I do prefer one screen where I can spot anything of interest quickly,
thus matching my work where as an overloaded schoolmaster I have to
spot the good from the bad ( et al) from dawn to dusk, at some speed.

I suspect that what I consider the lower echelon of posters will move
away in time. It is really quite scary how much time they have. IIRC
there was a time some 4-5 years ago when someone fairly regularly
posted pages and pages of almost Biblical text: at the time I asked
the poster if he/she was really typing this up for hour after hour.

R

Hilton

Yes, it does seem a shame that the nastiness and name calling has ruined
this group. It used to be a great source of information.

A well crafted kill file will remove the handful of worst offenders if
you really don't want to see their posts.

Yes, I do make use of killfiles, but that does not seem to stop people
drifting away from a group because most discussions end up in abuse,
name calling, and worse.

uk.rec.d-i-y is considerably more polite despite having the occasional
robust discussion about similarly controversial topics.

Not only that, but Google Groups seems to have muscled in on Usenet and
does seem to attract trolls more than ever, (not to mention the
many-line-feed specialists).

They have been around for ages post Dejanews and their software is now
horribly broken so that it can't find old archive posts reliably and
inserts double CR/LF into existing Usenet posts at every opportunity.
(it isn't the users' fault it is broken Google software)

Google are also a major injector of spam and bulk UCE into Usenet

Maybe it is just a sad reflection on society these days - aided and
abetted by a rather ignorant media, who exaggerate any event to extremes
and encourage people to take more and more polarised positions? There
seems to be no middle ground where even-minded folk can debate a complex
subject.

You only have to look at the wilfully ignorant anti-intellectual troll
chatter in this group. They are into paranoid rightwing conspiracy
theories and irrational antiscience of all kinds including now it would
seem denying Einstein's relativity (one of the best tested of all
scientific theories - only QCD is more completely tested).

--
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Friday, 25 October 2013 09:42:54 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:

They are into paranoid right-wing conspiracy
theories and irrational anti-science of all kinds including
denying Einstein's relativity (one of the best tested of all
scientific theories - only QCD is more completely tested).

Kindly have the decency to edit your posts if you want to start a flame war with me, there's a fine fellow.

On Friday, 25 October 2013 09:42:54 UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:
On 24/10/2013 11:22, yttiw wrote:

On 2013-10-24 09:46:08 +0000, Martin Brown said:



On 24/10/2013 10:32, yttiw wrote:

On 2013-10-24 06:51:23 +0000, Robin Nicholson said:



On 23 Oct 2013 19:26:39 GMT, "Norman" wrote:



My sentiments exactly, Graham. I don't know what all the fuss is

about. I don't

see any of the trash. This place is fine for me.



I agree too BUT the one thing I truly miss is useful commentary from

ex Met office chaps who live down here not too far from Dorset.



Naturally i do look around usually with my morning first tea but my

personal interest is aroused when the weather becomes more dynamic.

I do prefer one screen where I can spot anything of interest quickly,

thus matching my work where as an overloaded schoolmaster I have to

spot the good from the bad ( et al) from dawn to dusk, at some speed.



I suspect that what I consider the lower echelon of posters will move

away in time. It is really quite scary how much time they have. IIRC

there was a time some 4-5 years ago when someone fairly regularly

posted pages and pages of almost Biblical text: at the time I asked

the poster if he/she was really typing this up for hour after hour.



R



Hilton



Yes, it does seem a shame that the nastiness and name calling has ruined

this group. It used to be a great source of information.



A well crafted kill file will remove the handful of worst offenders if

you really don't want to see their posts.



Yes, I do make use of killfiles, but that does not seem to stop people

drifting away from a group because most discussions end up in abuse,

name calling, and worse.



uk.rec.d-i-y is considerably more polite despite having the occasional

robust discussion about similarly controversial topics.



Not only that, but Google Groups seems to have muscled in on Usenet and

does seem to attract trolls more than ever, (not to mention the

many-line-feed specialists).



They have been around for ages post Dejanews and their software is now

horribly broken so that it can't find old archive posts reliably and

inserts double CR/LF into existing Usenet posts at every opportunity.

(it isn't the users' fault it is broken Google software)



Google are also a major injector of spam and bulk UCE into Usenet



Maybe it is just a sad reflection on society these days - aided and

abetted by a rather ignorant media, who exaggerate any event to extremes

and encourage people to take more and more polarised positions? There

seems to be no middle ground where even-minded folk can debate a complex

subject.



You only have to look at the wilfully ignorant anti-intellectual troll

chatter in this group. They are into paranoid rightwing conspiracy

theories and irrational antiscience of all kinds including now it would

seem denying Einstein's relativity (one of the best tested of all

scientific theories - only QCD is more completely tested).



--

Regards,

Martin Brown

That's a meaningless rant

give some of examples of anti Einstienism and do it relatively soon

Bet you don't.

On Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:11:27 PM UTC+1, Dawlish wrote:
On Thursday, October 24, 2013 7:27:02 PM UTC+1, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:

Fair enough answer but through personal experience I know how these things work when an ideology takes over an organisation from the top downwards.

Prove it. I very much doubt this happened. It is more probably that it is just your far right-wing mentality that thinks it did, because you didn't like what was happening.

For example when the IPCC released it's 5th assessment a well known meteorologist emailed me telling me that all at Exeter had been briefed with the 'party line' as it were if approached by the press.

Really. Again, prove it; don't just say it.

I've also heard tales from the inside........

No you haven't. You are now just making it up.

....... that people are scared to show a contrary position inside UKMO as indeed I saw the same thing mentioned the other day for a similar American organisation.

An utterly ridiculous post, which you will fail to substantiate and probably end up throwing your toys out of the pram when you are pressed to.

Substantiating any of this was beyond you; mainly because you simply made most of it up.