I must admit I rarely dip in because the signal/noise ratio is too low.

I'm happy to be broad in my definition of "science", but less so for "weather"!

I think a monitored or invitation only group is the only way. If someone does go this way could you please inviting me?

Trevor
Weather now at: www.trevorharley.com

Trevor

Have a look at my post "from the ashes..."

If you or anyone else wants to join I promise that I'll moderate it, apply the rules and add content that I publish in my own blog (well the ones about weather and climate). If I don't get a dozen members in the first month then I know it's been a big mistake which I'm sure it is.

This is a bit (a tiny bit) like the film Field of Dreams - build it and they will come - realistically after the response from the group so far (which I fully expected) I don't think a new group like "weather and climate" would ever take off. The only strength is its simplicity and the resolve of its membership to make it work. It's certainly got the first one!

Bruce.

"xmetman" wrote in message
...
Trevor

Have a look at my post "from the ashes..."

If you or anyone else wants to join I promise that I'll moderate it, apply
the rules and add content that I publish in my own blog (well the ones about
weather and climate). If I don't get a dozen members in the first month then
I know it's been a big mistake which I'm sure it is.

This is a bit (a tiny bit) like the film Field of Dreams - build it and they
will come - realistically after the response from the group so far (which I
fully expected) I don't think a new group like "weather and climate" would
ever take off. The only strength is its simplicity and the resolve of its
membership to make it work. It's certainly got the first one!
=============

Good luck Bruce. Have to say that Dawlish tried to set up a forum a few
years ago "Totally weather and Climate" (or something like that) and it
failed miserably.
I still do not see the need for it as there are already established fora out
there with teams of moderators UKWW, TWO, NetWeather etc etc. Also a word of
advice, moderating will be a full-time commitment 24/7, be very very sure
before you embark on this. You could of course set up a group where posts
are only released after moderation (like UKMO) but then it doesn't "move".

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Thursday, 30 June 2016 11:47:32 UTC+1, wrote:
"xmetman" wrote in message
...
Trevor

Have a look at my post "from the ashes..."

If you or anyone else wants to join I promise that I'll moderate it, apply
the rules and add content that I publish in my own blog (well the ones about
weather and climate). If I don't get a dozen members in the first month then
I know it's been a big mistake which I'm sure it is.

This is a bit (a tiny bit) like the film Field of Dreams - build it and they
will come - realistically after the response from the group so far (which I
fully expected) I don't think a new group like "weather and climate" would
ever take off. The only strength is its simplicity and the resolve of its
membership to make it work. It's certainly got the first one!
=============

Good luck Bruce. Have to say that Dawlish tried to set up a forum a few
years ago "Totally weather and Climate" (or something like that) and it
failed miserably.
I still do not see the need for it as there are already established fora out
there with teams of moderators UKWW, TWO, NetWeather etc etc. Also a word of
advice, moderating will be a full-time commitment 24/7, be very very sure
before you embark on this. You could of course set up a group where posts
are only released after moderation (like UKMO) but then it doesn't "move".

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Will

Thanks for the advice. I hadn't realised that Dawlish had tried it, what a strange forum that would be? Global warming deniers barred! And that's got me thinking how do I deal with that kind of topic!

I am sat at my PC most days programming and ejecting the occasional blog, but 24/7 I can't do and that might be where the whole venture flounders. Weather is 24/7 but the poor old moderator has to shopping at Tesco's this morning.

Perhaps I can 'trust' people and let them by without moderating? Or maybe give them a couple of yellow cards before sending them off?

I'm off to see if I can find an appropriate book on Amazon "How to run and moderate a web forum".

Bruce.

"xmetman" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 30 June 2016 11:47:32 UTC+1,
wrote:
"xmetman" wrote in message
...
Trevor

Have a look at my post "from the ashes..."

If you or anyone else wants to join I promise that I'll moderate it,
apply
the rules and add content that I publish in my own blog (well the ones
about
weather and climate). If I don't get a dozen members in the first month
then
I know it's been a big mistake which I'm sure it is.

This is a bit (a tiny bit) like the film Field of Dreams - build it and
they
will come - realistically after the response from the group so far (which
I
fully expected) I don't think a new group like "weather and climate"
would
ever take off. The only strength is its simplicity and the resolve of its
membership to make it work. It's certainly got the first one!
=============

Good luck Bruce. Have to say that Dawlish tried to set up a forum a few
years ago "Totally weather and Climate" (or something like that) and it
failed miserably.
I still do not see the need for it as there are already established fora
out
there with teams of moderators UKWW, TWO, NetWeather etc etc. Also a word
of
advice, moderating will be a full-time commitment 24/7, be very very sure
before you embark on this. You could of course set up a group where posts
are only released after moderation (like UKMO) but then it doesn't
"move".

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another
sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Will

Thanks for the advice. I hadn't realised that Dawlish had tried it, what a
strange forum that would be? Global warming deniers barred! And that's got
me thinking how do I deal with that kind of topic!


Hi Bruce, Dawlish did it in a cunning way. he had a friend who was a
sceptic, I hate the word "denier" ,and they had chats in the forum. It kinda
worked.

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

On Thursday, 30 June 2016 12:30:34 UTC+1, wrote:
"xmetman" wrote in message
...
On Thursday, 30 June 2016 11:47:32 UTC+1,
wrote:
"xmetman" wrote in message
...
Trevor

Have a look at my post "from the ashes..."

If you or anyone else wants to join I promise that I'll moderate it,
apply
the rules and add content that I publish in my own blog (well the ones
about
weather and climate). If I don't get a dozen members in the first month
then
I know it's been a big mistake which I'm sure it is.

This is a bit (a tiny bit) like the film Field of Dreams - build it and
they
will come - realistically after the response from the group so far (which
I
fully expected) I don't think a new group like "weather and climate"
would
ever take off. The only strength is its simplicity and the resolve of its
membership to make it work. It's certainly got the first one!
=============

Good luck Bruce. Have to say that Dawlish tried to set up a forum a few
years ago "Totally weather and Climate" (or something like that) and it
failed miserably.
I still do not see the need for it as there are already established fora
out
there with teams of moderators UKWW, TWO, NetWeather etc etc. Also a word
of
advice, moderating will be a full-time commitment 24/7, be very very sure
before you embark on this. You could of course set up a group where posts
are only released after moderation (like UKMO) but then it doesn't
"move".

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another
sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

Will

Thanks for the advice. I hadn't realised that Dawlish had tried it, what a
strange forum that would be? Global warming deniers barred! And that's got
me thinking how do I deal with that kind of topic!


Hi Bruce, Dawlish did it in a cunning way. he had a friend who was a
sceptic, I hate the word "denier" ,and they had chats in the forum. It kinda
worked.

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
---------------------------------------------

It worked for about a week then two things became obvious. Firstly that neither of them knew much about the nitty-gritty of meteorology and secondly that there was nobody else in the house. And who on earth is going to join a group led by Dawlish of all people? He simply wanted to exercise control, this being his nature.
But Bruce doesn't labour under any of these faults so I will give it a go.

Tudor Hughes

In message ,
xmetman writes
snip
Perhaps I can 'trust' people and let them by without moderating? Or
maybe give them a couple of yellow cards before sending them off?

If the forum software you'll be using allows it, then you might be able
to "white list" certain posters that you feel you can trust, and accept
posts from them without moderation, whereas posts from others would
still have to be moderated.

The snag with moderation, if you are the sole moderator, is that if Real
Life intervenes (as you've alluded to in the bit that I've snipped) and
there's a delay of several days before you can get around to approving
posts, that will take away the forum's momentum and people are likely to
drift away.

I thought that I'd "saved" your original post, so that I could return to
it, later, but it somehow seems to have "time-expired" on my machine. So
I can't remember quite what the procedure was that you set out for
applying to join, but I'd like to be a member please. I can't promise to
remember to look in on the forum regularly, though. The great advantage
of newsgroups is that I have things set up so that new posts are
downloaded automatically, and once downloaded the habit of reading them
has become sufficiently ingrained that it doesn't need any prompting for
me to remember to do so.

Added later: I've found the reason why I couldn't find your original
post. It wasn't on this thread at all but on "From the ashes..."! Doh!

--
John Hall
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin"
attributed to Sir Josiah Stamp,
a former director of the Bank of England

John

I never planned for this to happen, the whole thing has just happened very quickly. I don't like responsibility and was never a manager in the Met Office as I think Will has pointed out, all I ever wanted to at work was program and even today that's true. I was never a brilliant programmer but I persisted! Since retiring and starting my xmetman blog I have learnt so much more about everything meteorological.I don't mean that I'm some kind of expert, but I do the research because I don't want to write utter twaddle in the topics that I write about! You're right about keeping the momentum going in a forum, what I hope I achieve is a more friendly place people can post to without the need for kill filing people, because hopefully I'll have done it for them. Only time will tell if I succeed.

Bruce.

In message ,
xmetman writes
I never planned for this to happen, the whole thing has just happened
very quickly. I don't like responsibility and was never a manager in
the Met Office as I think Will has pointed out, all I ever wanted to at
work was program and even today that's true.

We have something in common. I don't like responsibility either, and was
never a manager (except briefly of one other person, and that didn't
work out well). And I too loved programming, though I haven't done any
since retiring. Sadly the trend at work was increasingly to contract out
programming, so the opportunities for doing that decreased over time. (I
wasn't in the Met Office, but WAS in the scientific civil service.)

My post would be another that posed a problem for a forum's moderator.

--
John Hall
"Banking was conceived in iniquity and born in sin"
attributed to Sir Josiah Stamp,
a former director of the Bank of England

"John Hall" wrote in message
...
In message ,
xmetman writes
I never planned for this to happen, the whole thing has just happened very
quickly. I don't like responsibility and was never a manager in the Met
Office as I think Will has pointed out, all I ever wanted to at work was
program and even today that's true.

We have something in common. I don't like responsibility either, and was
never a manager (except briefly of one other person, and that didn't work
out well). And I too loved programming, though I haven't done any since
retiring. Sadly the trend at work was increasingly to contract out
programming, so the opportunities for doing that decreased over time. (I
wasn't in the Met Office, but WAS in the scientific civil service.)

My post would be another that posed a problem for a forum's moderator.

I did a bit of management, both project and human, but my heart was in
Research. Later in my career as a Senior Scientist I had some autonomy and
was able to suggest and carry out research. I too loved programming and was
a small system manager for a while (Sun workstations running UNIX). My ideal
working setup was take an idea (own or someone else's), set up an
experiment, program the code required to run said experiment. Run and debug
and then re-run and examine results. Come to conclusions, write a short
report and publish. I got to do a lot of that in my last 5 years of
employment. Trouble is, corporate stuff tended to get in the way sometimes.

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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