"John Hall" wrote in message ...

Going by Will's headers, he's using version 6.

Well who knows what features that antique version of Windows Mail might
possess. WLM is currently at v16 and still doesn't, as far as I can see,
have a KF facility. (Yes, I know, WLM is not a 'real' news client. But,
personally, for the minimal value that newsgroups are in general these days,
I'm not prepared to have yet another application open on my desktop, getting
in the way etc - it would add precious little, have its own learning curve
and be one more encumbrance.)

What you talking about?
It's the SNP that got Cameron in by destroying the Labour party in
Scotland.
Cameron only had his bit of glory because of the Lib Dems first time
round, and the SNP second time round. We have a stupid electoral system.
O and by the way, to keep on topic, now we are going to leave EU, we
have £650 million per week (according to the Leave brigade), some of
which will be handy to give to UKMO to improve their forecasts.

The charlatans that led the Leave brigade and hoodwinked Jo Public are
now nowhere to be seen to lead the country out of the mess. I wonder why?

Len
Wembury
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Spot on as ever Len. I'm afraid there are other nasty things creeping
into some arguments along the lines that education is bad as it leads to
the elitist liberal middle classes. I've generally found they are the
ones doing the most to try and raise standards for the poorer in society
than your average business led UKIP and Tory person. Wasn't it a similar
anti-professional/expert/educated attitude that led to the burning of
books, killing musicians, artists etc by the Khmer Rouge and Maoist China?


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"Dave Cornwell" wrote in message
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What you talking about?
It's the SNP that got Cameron in by destroying the Labour party in
Scotland.
Cameron only had his bit of glory because of the Lib Dems first time
round, and the SNP second time round. We have a stupid electoral system.
O and by the way, to keep on topic, now we are going to leave EU, we
have £650 million per week (according to the Leave brigade), some of
which will be handy to give to UKMO to improve their forecasts.

The charlatans that led the Leave brigade and hoodwinked Jo Public are
now nowhere to be seen to lead the country out of the mess. I wonder why?

Len
Wembury
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on as ever Len. I'm afraid there are other nasty things creeping into
some arguments along the lines that education is bad as it leads to the
elitist liberal middle classes. I've generally found they are the ones
doing the most to try and raise standards for the poorer in society than
your average business led UKIP and Tory person. Wasn't it a similar
anti-professional/expert/educated attitude that led to the burning of
books, killing musicians, artists etc by the Khmer Rouge and Maoist
China?


Just because you cannot post such stuff on Bruce's site Dave there is no
need to trash a thread on here.
PLEASE KEEP ON TOPIC or go away!

Will
--
" Some sects believe that the world was created 5000 years ago. Another sect
believes that it was created in 1910 "
http://www.lyneside.demon.co.uk/Hayt...antage_Pro.htm
Will Hand (Haytor, Devon, 1017 feet asl)
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On Wednesday, 6 July 2016 14:03:46 UTC+1, Dave Cornwell wrote:

What you talking about?
It's the SNP that got Cameron in by destroying the Labour party in
Scotland.
Cameron only had his bit of glory because of the Lib Dems first time
round, and the SNP second time round. We have a stupid electoral system..
O and by the way, to keep on topic, now we are going to leave EU, we
have £650 million per week (according to the Leave brigade), some of
which will be handy to give to UKMO to improve their forecasts.

The charlatans that led the Leave brigade and hoodwinked Jo Public are
now nowhere to be seen to lead the country out of the mess. I wonder why?

Len
Wembury
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Spot on as ever Len. I'm afraid there are other nasty things creeping
into some arguments along the lines that education is bad as it leads to
the elitist liberal middle classes. I've generally found they are the
ones doing the most to try and raise standards for the poorer in society
than your average business led UKIP and Tory person. Wasn't it a similar
anti-professional/expert/educated attitude that led to the burning of
books, killing musicians, artists etc by the Khmer Rouge and Maoist China?


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No education is good if the elitist middle class left stop putting their spin on it.

I took my son out for his birthday meal last night and there with his partner and my daughter partner Brexit came up . all of them voted remain as they are white middle class Londoners, but my daughter as a history teacher was very undecided as the EEC and the way its developed was very wrong indeed with decisions being made for the UK and all sovereignty taken away. Britain was a very wealthy member of the EEC and we were needed far more than we needed .
them


I'll keep this short and mention Farage. When Farage vowed to try and end the accepted corrupted un representational nature of the EEC immigration wasn't even on the cards then. Its only become an issue in recent times and then exacerbated by dysfunctional Arab countries with populations devised of two factions of Islam who want to kill each other. So for people to say Farage started all of this because he's a racist (over used word bomb to end all conversation)they are lying as immigration was not such a hot potato when he joined UKIP which initially had been set up by Kilroy-Silk.


Let me ask you though Dave and anyone. The net migration for 2015 was almost half a million people. They don't all work and all will be immediately in receipt of health, housing and education whether they contribute or not. As for probably the best of the bunch of immigrants the Poles . Many of those never paid tax as they worked in the construction industry, granted some worked in care as agency of direct labour where they would then be PAYE but even being in the UK two years and having used the GP or NHS plus housing help and education. Any taxes paid plus NI would nowhere near meet the costs of a health issue on the NHS or education which is I believe around 6 grand a year to educate per child. None of it adds up. My daughter tells me that the photo copying budget at her very prestigious state run but highly sought after school is £18 per month where she has to pay out of her own pocket on many an occasion.



So let me ask you as you obviously want to put your OT side in a newsgroup you left because it was too OT. How many people can we take in the UK and really we all know we men England . half a million per year, so by 2020 it would have been another two million. Do you think that is sustainable without you state pension being greatly reduced to pay for it or higher VAT which by the way the EEC introduced. I await your answer.

Between October 1940 and 1973 the UK had a consumption tax calledÂ*Purchase Tax, which was levied at different rates depending on goods' luxuriousness.[5]Â*Purchase Tax was applied to the wholesale price, initially at a rate of 331â�„3%. This was doubled in April 1942 to 662â�„3%, and further increased in April 1943 to a rate of 100%, before reverting in April 1946 to 331â�„3% again. Unlike VAT, Purchase Tax was applied at the point of manufacture and distribution, not at the point of sale. The rate of Purchase Tax at the start of 1973, when it gave way to VAT, was 25%.

On Wednesday, 6 July 2016 19:04:33 UTC+1, Desperate Dan wrote:
Between October 1940 and 1973 the UK had a consumption tax calledÂ*Purchase Tax, which was levied at different rates depending on goods' luxuriousness.[5]Â*Purchase Tax was applied to the wholesale price, initially at a rate of 331â�„3%. This was doubled in April 1942 to 662â�„3%, and further increased in April 1943 to a rate of 100%, before reverting in April 1946 to 331â�„3% again. Unlike VAT, Purchase Tax was applied at the point of manufacture and distribution, not at the point of sale. The rate of Purchase Tax at the start of 1973, when it gave way to VAT, was 25%.

Well you had me on purchase tax which was a war time tax based on shortage of resources which were deemed a luxury

Now of course under the VAT more than luxuries are taxed


But I have say I fail to see the point you are making? Is it that there was a purchase tax before VAT? If so that's ridiculous as Purchase tax was only luxury goods would you consider cloths luxury goods . I mean do you consider baby's prams and children's car seats luxury goods. I'm not sure with children's cars seats but I thought they were a legal requirement.






Rates below from wiki three rates standard 20% reduced 5% and zero

There are currently three rates of VAT: standard (20%), reduced (5%) and zero (0%).[3] In addition some goods and services are exempt from VAT or outside the VAT system.[3]

The following are the rates applicable to some common goods and services:[36]

Standard rated
Alcoholic drinks
Biscuits (chocolate covered only)
Bottled water (inc. mineral water)
Calendars & diaries
Carbonated (fizzy) drinks
CDs, DVDs & tapes
Cereal bars
Chocolate
Clothes & footwear (not for children under 14)
Confectionery/sweets
Delivery charges (postage & packaging)
Electrical goods
Electricity, gas, heating oil & solid fuel (business)
Food & drinks supplied for consumption on the premises (at restaurants, cafes etc)
Hot take-away food & drinks (inc. burgers, hot dogs, toasted sandwiches)
Ice cream
Fruit juice & other cold drinks (not milk)
Nuts (shelled, roasted/salted)
Postal services (Royal Mail/other licensed operators)
Potato crisps
Prams & pushchairs
Road fuel (petrol/diesel)
Salt (non-culinary)
Stationery
Taxi fares
Tolls for bridges, tunnels & roads (privately operated)
Water (industrial)


Reduced rated
Children's car seats
Electricity, gas, heating oil & solid fuel (domestic/residential/charity non-business)
Energy saving materials (permanently installed in residential/charity premises)
Maternity pads
Mobility aids for the elderly
Sanitary protection products
Smoking cessation products


Zero rated
Aircraft (sale/charter)
Bicycle & motorcycle helmets
Biscuits (not chocolate covered)
Books, maps & charts (not ebooks)
Bread, rolls, baps & pita bread
Brochures, leaflets & pamphlets
Building services for disabled people
Cakes (including Chocolate teacake, Jaffa Cakes)
Canned & frozen food (not ice cream)
Cereals
Chilled/frozen ready meals, convenience foods
Clothes & footwear (for children under 14 only)
Construction & sale of new domestic buildings
Cooking oil
Donated goods sold at charity shops
Eggs
Equipment for disabled people (inc. blind/partially sighted)
Fish (inc. live fish)
Fruit & vegetables
Live animals for human consumption
Meat & poultry
Milk, butter, cheese
Newspapers, magazines & journals
Nuts & pulses (raw for human consumption)
Prescription medicine
Protective boots & helmets (industrial)
Public transport fares (bus, train & tube)
Salt (culinary)
Sandwiches (cold)
Sewerage (domestic & industrial)
Shipbuilding (15 tonnes or over)
Tea, coffee & cocoa
Transport in a vehicle, boat or aircraft (not fewer than ten passengers)
Water (household) Exempt
Antiques, works of art or similar
Burial or cremation (human)
Commercial land & buildings (selling/leasing/letting)
Cultural events operated by public bodies (museums, art exhibitions, zoos & performances)
Education, vocational training
Financial services (money transactions, loans/credits, savings/deposits, shares/bonds)
Funeral plan insurance
Gambling (betting, gaming, bingo, lottery)
Health services (doctors, dentists, opticians, pharmacists & other health professionals)
Insurance
Medical treatment & care
Membership subscriptions
Postage stamps
Sports activities & physical education
TV licence Outside
Goods & services sold outside the EU
Goods & services supplied by unregistered supplier
Statutory fees & services (MOT testing, congestion charge etc)
Tolls for bridges, tunnels and roads (operated by public authorities)
Voluntary donations t

On Tuesday, 5 July 2016 02:12:58 UTC+12, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
I imagine that you are now doomed to remain here, locked in a titanic struggle of good over evil, in a battle with the dark forces with the likes of Dawlish and Weatherlawyer for the rest of eternity.

Bruce.

Anyway why are you back here when you found this group so unpalatable that you had to start another with you in charge to ensure the riff raff don't get back in, yet here you are talking to what you see as the riff raff. Talk about wanting yer cake and eat it.

You are deeply unpalatable - not just as an embittered curmudgeon, but as a cynical redistributor of lies manufactured by self-interested pressure groups who don't give a damn about the fate of the environment.

WeatherL, on the other hand, is simply a raving lunatic with a compulsion to spout endless twaddle.

On Wednesday, 6 July 2016 21:07:49 UTC+1, RW wrote:
On Tuesday, 5 July 2016 02:12:58 UTC+12, Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
I imagine that you are now doomed to remain here, locked in a titanic struggle of good over evil, in a battle with the dark forces with the likes of Dawlish and Weatherlawyer for the rest of eternity.

Bruce.

Anyway why are you back here when you found this group so unpalatable that you had to start another with you in charge to ensure the riff raff don't get back in, yet here you are talking to what you see as the riff raff. Talk about wanting yer cake and eat it.

You are deeply unpalatable - not just as an embittered curmudgeon, but as a cynical redistributor of lies manufactured by self-interested pressure groups who don't give a damn about the fate of the environment.

WeatherL, on the other hand, is simply a raving lunatic with a compulsion to spout endless twaddle.

Shut up you lunatic .Why do have the monopoly on caring about the environment what stupid statements come out of your vegetarian gob. You are a New Zealand lefty whose post makes no sense to me bar your stupid statement

On 06/07/2016 14:03, Dave Cornwell wrote:


What you talking about?
It's the SNP that got Cameron in by destroying the Labour party in
Scotland.
Cameron only had his bit of glory because of the Lib Dems first time
round, and the SNP second time round. We have a stupid electoral system.
O and by the way, to keep on topic, now we are going to leave EU, we
have £650 million per week (according to the Leave brigade), some of
which will be handy to give to UKMO to improve their forecasts.

The charlatans that led the Leave brigade and hoodwinked Jo Public are
now nowhere to be seen to lead the country out of the mess. I wonder why?

Len
Wembury
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Spot on as ever Len. I'm afraid there are other nasty things creeping
into some arguments along the lines that education is bad as it leads to
the elitist liberal middle classes. I've generally found they are the
ones doing the most to try and raise standards for the poorer in society
than your average business led UKIP and Tory person. Wasn't it a similar
anti-professional/expert/educated attitude that led to the burning of
books, killing musicians, artists etc by the Khmer Rouge and Maoist China?


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The working class as a long history of self education, it was a
Christian working class self taught man that set up the workers’
education association at the start of the 20th century.

The middle class liberals are self-congratulatory, they think they are
above anyone else because they do good works. Their good works are
mostly socialist bull****.

A major split in the labour party happened in the 1980's; the working
class didn’t want to be politically correct stooges for the middle class
liberals, so the middle class liberals courted the middle class
conservatives with new labour. New labour was a wholly middle class
party, espousing free market capitalist economic polices for the middle
class conservatives, but also espousing politically correct social
policies directed towards immigrants and gays for the middle class
liberals.


The final nail in the coffin for the labour party happened in the
1990's, with the rout of working class labour MPs being deselected to be
replaced with middle class liberal Mps.

New labour used the working class as voter fodder, As Mendelson said,
“The working class have no where else to go�. The cat was let out of
the bag with Gordon Brown PM, said that bigoted woman about Gillian
Duffy. The modern labour party see the working class as bigoted
people, be it racist, sexist or homophobic. This is why the labour
party as become a middle class liberal protest party. The working class
have become disenfranchised from the political system, but it doesn’t
matter to the middle class, because the middle class liberals see the
working class as bigots, while the middle class conservatives see the
working class as chavs and yobs.


Jonathan Rose put it as, “The gradual shift in the labour party ‘from a
working-class self-educated leadership to a middle-class
university-educated leadership brought with it a shift from economic
protest to cultural protest�

I am not a vegetarian, lunkhead. I am politically unaligned but have zero respect for your kind of politics. And I haven't forgotten the typical example of your offensiveness when your response to a polite email explaining a climate point was unfettered abuse. Get off the stage and let others with saner attitudes get more attention.