On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 8:01:04 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Saturday, 13 January 2018 12:25:38 UTC, Col wrote:
On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next
week on Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture
of sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in
nature with snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think
it would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern
half of the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is
552 miles from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is
around Penrith. Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills'
should mean only Scotland and the far north of England. I suspect
that during next week snow will fall on hills very much further
south than that. 'The North' doesn't start at the Chiltern Hills
:-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London
centricity so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North' and
that generally means Northern England, which of course means areas
south of your mid point of Penrith. The hills around here count of
course as would the southern Pennines. But what of the Peak
District, would you consider that all to be 'The North', even it's
most southern extent?

Another vague thing is 'snow on high ground'. How high is 'high'
ground? 1000ft certainly, but I'm at 500ft, is that 'high' ground,
well it's high*ish* I suppose. I'd say 750ft was the cut off point.
Granted they do sometimes quote heights in forecasts but of course
a lot of people probably don't really know how high they live
anyway.


--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

To me, a southerner, "Northern Hills" means The Pennines, The Lake
District and the North York Moors. Further north than that it should
be labelled Scotland. Failure to do so is lazy and slapdash, not for
the first time, not by a long chalk. Another example of this
throwaway attitude is Phil Avery telling us that as far as
temperatures in England go "4 to 9 should just about cover it".
Well, it would, wouldn't it, in the recent synoptic setup. Give us a
forecast, clever clogs, not a climatological statement.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

If the forecast is intended to refer to England then I would agree with
you, Tudor, but the forecast that I highlighted at the start of this
thread was, I assume, intended to refer to the whole of the UK. The
term 'Northern Hills' should therefore be rather different in that
context. Living, as I do, in the southern end of the Pennines I
certainly do not consider that I live in 'The North'. As I said earlier
in this thread, the way the Met Office splits the Country up puts
Tideswell in the East Midlands.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Northern Hills to me are Dartmoor.

Len
Wembury, SW Devon coast

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Len Wood wrote:

On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 8:01:04 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Saturday, 13 January 2018 12:25:38 UTC, Col wrote:
On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next
week on Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a
mixture of sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and
wintry in nature with snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I
think it would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in
the northern half of the country. Looking just at mainland
Great Britain it is 552 miles from Bournemouth to Thurso. The
half-way point is around Penrith. Surely, therefore, the
term 'northern hills' should mean only Scotland and the far
north of England. I suspect that during next week snow will
fall on hills very much further south than that. 'The North'
doesn't start at the Chiltern Hills :-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London
centricity so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North'
and that generally means Northern England, which of course
means areas south of your mid point of Penrith. The hills
around here count of course as would the southern Pennines. But
what of the Peak District, would you consider that all to be
'The North', even it's most southern extent?

Another vague thing is 'snow on high ground'. How high is 'high'
ground? 1000ft certainly, but I'm at 500ft, is that 'high'
ground, well it's high*ish* I suppose. I'd say 750ft was the
cut off point. Granted they do sometimes quote heights in
forecasts but of course a lot of people probably don't really
know how high they live anyway.


--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

To me, a southerner, "Northern Hills" means The Pennines, The
Lake District and the North York Moors. Further north than that
it should be labelled Scotland. Failure to do so is lazy and
slapdash, not for the first time, not by a long chalk. Another
example of this throwaway attitude is Phil Avery telling us that
as far as temperatures in England go "4 to 9 should just about
cover it". Well, it would, wouldn't it, in the recent synoptic
setup. Give us a forecast, clever clogs, not a climatological
statement.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

If the forecast is intended to refer to England then I would agree
with you, Tudor, but the forecast that I highlighted at the start
of this thread was, I assume, intended to refer to the whole of the
UK. The term 'Northern Hills' should therefore be rather different
in that context. Living, as I do, in the southern end of the
Pennines I certainly do not consider that I live in 'The North'. As
I said earlier in this thread, the way the Met Office splits the
Country up puts Tideswell in the East Midlands.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--- The Northern Hills to me are Dartmoor.

Len
Wembury, SW Devon coast

----------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Therein lies the problem. 'Northern Hills' is really a meaningless term
unless it is defined.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr

On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 10:12:51 PM UTC, Len Wood wrote:
On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 8:01:04 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Saturday, 13 January 2018 12:25:38 UTC, Col wrote:
On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next
week on Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture
of sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in
nature with snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think
it would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern
half of the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is
552 miles from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is
around Penrith. Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills'
should mean only Scotland and the far north of England. I suspect
that during next week snow will fall on hills very much further
south than that. 'The North' doesn't start at the Chiltern Hills
:-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London
centricity so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North' and
that generally means Northern England, which of course means areas
south of your mid point of Penrith. The hills around here count of
course as would the southern Pennines. But what of the Peak
District, would you consider that all to be 'The North', even it's
most southern extent?

Another vague thing is 'snow on high ground'. How high is 'high'
ground? 1000ft certainly, but I'm at 500ft, is that 'high' ground,
well it's high*ish* I suppose. I'd say 750ft was the cut off point.
Granted they do sometimes quote heights in forecasts but of course
a lot of people probably don't really know how high they live
anyway.


--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

To me, a southerner, "Northern Hills" means The Pennines, The Lake
District and the North York Moors. Further north than that it should
be labelled Scotland. Failure to do so is lazy and slapdash, not for
the first time, not by a long chalk. Another example of this
throwaway attitude is Phil Avery telling us that as far as
temperatures in England go "4 to 9 should just about cover it".
Well, it would, wouldn't it, in the recent synoptic setup. Give us a
forecast, clever clogs, not a climatological statement.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

If the forecast is intended to refer to England then I would agree with
you, Tudor, but the forecast that I highlighted at the start of this
thread was, I assume, intended to refer to the whole of the UK. The
term 'Northern Hills' should therefore be rather different in that
context. Living, as I do, in the southern end of the Pennines I
certainly do not consider that I live in 'The North'. As I said earlier
in this thread, the way the Met Office splits the Country up puts
Tideswell in the East Midlands.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Northern Hills to me are Dartmoor.

Len
Wembury, SW Devon coast

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

It's the difference between relative and absolute geography, most things in the UK are described as relative to the SE (or London in particular).

It's not just those from the SE with a tendency to this though. When I was in London decades ago, I was sharing a house with 2 lads from Leeds. They regarded me a southerner, different to them 'up north (all in a jokey way, they were good times). However, Penzance is almost 300 miles from London, Leeds just 200 miles, Same as Bristol to Penzance. Yet the SW Development Agency (now no mercifully more), 200 miles away in Bristol, decided mining was not part of 'their agenda' for Cornwall.

I wonder if it would have been acceptable for those in Leeds to make major decisions for those in Hatfield, and insist their vision was followed?

Sorry - bit OT now!

Graham
Penzance

On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:12:49 -0800 (PST)
Len Wood wrote:

On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 8:01:04 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Saturday, 13 January 2018 12:25:38 UTC, Col wrote:
On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next
week on Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a mixture
of sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and wintry in
nature with snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I think
it would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in the northern
half of the country. Looking just at mainland Great Britain it is
552 miles from Bournemouth to Thurso. The half-way point is
around Penrith. Surely, therefore, the term 'northern hills'
should mean only Scotland and the far north of England. I suspect
that during next week snow will fall on hills very much further
south than that. 'The North' doesn't start at the Chiltern Hills
:-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London
centricity so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North' and
that generally means Northern England, which of course means areas
south of your mid point of Penrith. The hills around here count of
course as would the southern Pennines. But what of the Peak
District, would you consider that all to be 'The North', even it's
most southern extent?

Another vague thing is 'snow on high ground'. How high is 'high'
ground? 1000ft certainly, but I'm at 500ft, is that 'high' ground,
well it's high*ish* I suppose. I'd say 750ft was the cut off point.
Granted they do sometimes quote heights in forecasts but of course
a lot of people probably don't really know how high they live
anyway.


--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

To me, a southerner, "Northern Hills" means The Pennines, The Lake
District and the North York Moors. Further north than that it should
be labelled Scotland. Failure to do so is lazy and slapdash, not for
the first time, not by a long chalk. Another example of this
throwaway attitude is Phil Avery telling us that as far as
temperatures in England go "4 to 9 should just about cover it".
Well, it would, wouldn't it, in the recent synoptic setup. Give us a
forecast, clever clogs, not a climatological statement.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

If the forecast is intended to refer to England then I would agree with
you, Tudor, but the forecast that I highlighted at the start of this
thread was, I assume, intended to refer to the whole of the UK. The
term 'Northern Hills' should therefore be rather different in that
context. Living, as I do, in the southern end of the Pennines I
certainly do not consider that I live in 'The North'. As I said earlier
in this thread, the way the Met Office splits the Country up puts
Tideswell in the East Midlands.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
The Northern Hills to me are Dartmoor.

Len
Wembury, SW Devon coast

-------------------------------------------------------------------------


LOL
Exmoor for me :-)

On Monday, January 15, 2018 at 8:00:00 AM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Len Wood wrote:

On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 8:01:04 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Saturday, 13 January 2018 12:25:38 UTC, Col wrote:
On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next
week on Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a
mixture of sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and
wintry in nature with snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I
think it would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in
the northern half of the country. Looking just at mainland
Great Britain it is 552 miles from Bournemouth to Thurso. The
half-way point is around Penrith. Surely, therefore, the
term 'northern hills' should mean only Scotland and the far
north of England. I suspect that during next week snow will
fall on hills very much further south than that. 'The North'
doesn't start at the Chiltern Hills :-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London
centricity so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North'
and that generally means Northern England, which of course
means areas south of your mid point of Penrith. The hills
around here count of course as would the southern Pennines. But
what of the Peak District, would you consider that all to be
'The North', even it's most southern extent?

Another vague thing is 'snow on high ground'. How high is 'high'
ground? 1000ft certainly, but I'm at 500ft, is that 'high'
ground, well it's high*ish* I suppose. I'd say 750ft was the
cut off point. Granted they do sometimes quote heights in
forecasts but of course a lot of people probably don't really
know how high they live anyway.


--
Col

Bolton, Lancashire
160m asl
Snow videos:
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC3QvmL4UWBmHFMKWiwYm_gg

To me, a southerner, "Northern Hills" means The Pennines, The
Lake District and the North York Moors. Further north than that
it should be labelled Scotland. Failure to do so is lazy and
slapdash, not for the first time, not by a long chalk. Another
example of this throwaway attitude is Phil Avery telling us that
as far as temperatures in England go "4 to 9 should just about
cover it". Well, it would, wouldn't it, in the recent synoptic
setup. Give us a forecast, clever clogs, not a climatological
statement.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

If the forecast is intended to refer to England then I would agree
with you, Tudor, but the forecast that I highlighted at the start
of this thread was, I assume, intended to refer to the whole of the
UK. The term 'Northern Hills' should therefore be rather different
in that context. Living, as I do, in the southern end of the
Pennines I certainly do not consider that I live in 'The North'. As
I said earlier in this thread, the way the Met Office splits the
Country up puts Tideswell in the East Midlands.

--
Norman Lynagh
Tideswell, Derbyshire
303m a.s.l.
https://peakdistrictweather.org
Twitter: @TideswellWeathr
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--- The Northern Hills to me are Dartmoor.

Len
Wembury, SW Devon coast

----------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Therein lies the problem. 'Northern Hills' is really a meaningless term
unless it is defined.

'Northern hills' for me is Peak District northwards, a distance of hundreds of miles so, as you say, it should be defined.

On 15/01/18 07:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Len Wood wrote:

On Sunday, January 14, 2018 at 8:01:04 PM UTC, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Tudor Hughes wrote:

On Saturday, 13 January 2018 12:25:38 UTC, Col wrote:
On 13/01/2018 10:59, Norman Lynagh wrote:
Stav Danaos has just posted a summary of the weather for next
week on Twitter. It says

-----------------------------------------
Turning colder as we head into next week with gales and a
mixture of sunshine and blustery showers - some heavy and
wintry in nature with snow on northern hills
-----------------------------------------

It all depends on your definition of 'northern hills' but I
think it would be reasonable to assume that meant hills in
the northern half of the country. Looking just at mainland
Great Britain it is 552 miles from Bournemouth to Thurso. The
half-way point is around Penrith. Surely, therefore, the
term 'northern hills' should mean only Scotland and the far
north of England. I suspect that during next week snow will
fall on hills very much further south than that. 'The North'
doesn't start at the Chiltern Hills :-(

I used to get into trouble on here complaining about London
centricity so I don't do it anymore

I guess 'Northern Hills' depends on how you define 'The North'
and that generally means Northern England, which of course
means areas south of your mid point of Penrith. The hills
around here count of course as would the southern Pennines. But
what of the Peak District, would you consider that all to be
'The North', even it's most southern extent?

Another vague thing is 'snow on high ground'. How high is 'high'
ground? 1000ft certainly, but I'm at 500ft, is that 'high'
ground, well it's high*ish* I suppose. I'd say 750ft was the
cut off point. Granted they do sometimes quote heights in
forecasts but of course a lot of people probably don't really
know how high they live anyway.


To me, a southerner, "Northern Hills" means The Pennines, The
Lake District and the North York Moors. Further north than that
it should be labelled Scotland. Failure to do so is lazy and
slapdash, not for the first time, not by a long chalk. Another
example of this throwaway attitude is Phil Avery telling us that
as far as temperatures in England go "4 to 9 should just about
cover it". Well, it would, wouldn't it, in the recent synoptic
setup. Give us a forecast, clever clogs, not a climatological
statement.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.

If the forecast is intended to refer to England then I would agree
with you, Tudor, but the forecast that I highlighted at the start
of this thread was, I assume, intended to refer to the whole of the
UK. The term 'Northern Hills' should therefore be rather different
in that context. Living, as I do, in the southern end of the
Pennines I certainly do not consider that I live in 'The North'. As
I said earlier in this thread, the way the Met Office splits the
Country up puts Tideswell in the East Midlands.

----------------------------------------------------------------------
--- The Northern Hills to me are Dartmoor.

Len
Wembury, SW Devon coast

----------------------------------------------------------------------
---

Therein lies the problem. 'Northern Hills' is really a meaningless term
unless it is defined.


Also can happen with east-west divides when metcasters [that word is in
my 1977 dictionary] are sloppy with how they split up the country - i.e.
all of the time.

Some years ago I listened to a forecast which detailed the weather for
"eastern coastal districts" and then went on to give the weather for
Wales, SW and NW England. It then ended that section so that all of
Central Southern England and the Midlands, along with most of SE
England, East Anglia and Eastern England were left without a forecast.

--
Graham P Davis, Bracknell, Berks. Web-site: http://www.scarlet-jade.com/
"Nobody can get the truth out of me because even I don't know what it
is. I keep myself in a constant state of utter confusion." [Col. Flagg]
OS: Linux [openSUSE Tumbleweed]

"Will Hand" wrote in message
. ..
On Sun, 14 Jan 2018 14:12:49 -0800 (PST)
Len Wood wrote:

Snip

The Northern Hills to me are Dartmoor.

Len
Wembury, SW Devon coast

-------------------------------------------------------------------------


LOL
Exmoor for me :-)

Foinaven and Arkle for me (look that one up!)

Phil
40 Miles N. of Inverness



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com

On Monday, 15 January 2018 16:13:38 UTC, philgurr wrote:


Foinaven and Arkle for me (look that one up!)

Phil
40 Miles N. of Inverness


So you used to follow the gee-gees, especially ones named after peaks in the far north of Scotland. Didn't look it up, honest.

Tudor Hughes

"Tudor Hughes" wrote in message
...
On Monday, 15 January 2018 16:13:38 UTC, philgurr wrote:


Foinaven and Arkle for me (look that one up!)

Phil
40 Miles N. of Inverness


So you used to follow the gee-gees, especially ones named after peaks in the far north
of Scotland. Didn't look it up, honest.

Tudor Hughes

Never followed the gee-gees Tudor but aware that two of them were named
after our local 'bumps'

Phil



---
This email has been checked for viruses by AVG.
http://www.avg.com