wrote:


All these deniers are old farts, Keith. There's no young ones. The
future is safe in the hands of the young - once the get it!

I agree, though this might lead to some inter-generational angst in
the short-term.

I remember Spike from uk weatherworld. On the first point he makes he
simply incorrect and on the second, he is insinuating something
incorrect, that recent sharp warming is urban-expansion induced.
All you have to do is take the temperature trend at a completely
rural site.

Whatever adaptation and mitigation steps we take in the next 20
years would have been far easier to do had we had the insight to do
them over the last 20 years.

Julian

Molesey, Surrey.

Indeed. The steps that need to be taken now are unacceptable to our
global society so they won't be taken. Whether we like it or not we'll
have to watch while the catastrophe caused by climate change evolves
over the next decade or two and we try to play catch-up by going into
disaster management mode. I'm not at all convinced that the human race
will be able to adapt quickly enough to get through this. I suspect
that nature is about to do something about the over-population of the
human species.

--
Norman

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On 21/12/2019 09:44, Graham P Davis wrote:

So I guess that, according to Spike, the reduction of the ice in the
Arctic Ocean that's been going on for the past hundred years must also
be due to the heat island effect?

Don't be silly.

The Little Ice Age came to an end about a hundred years ago, and it
might come as little surprise to learn that when an Ice Age ends,
glaciers melt...

Why is this so difficult for people to understand?

Not quite sure how that works though.

Now you know.

--
Spike

On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 06:38:10 -0800 (PST)
wrote:

On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 9:25:37 AM UTC, Spike wrote:
On 17/12/2019 09:05, Graham P Davis wrote:

Top five global temperature anomalies for November from GISS:
2015: +1.26C
2019: +1.22C
2016: +1.10C
2017: +1.08C
2013: +1.05C

12-month anomalies ending in the month of November:
2015-16: +1.24C
2018-19: +1.17C
2016-17: +1.12C
2014-15: +1.07C
2017-18: +1.05C

Differences are wrt IPCC "pre-industrial" era. [This period is
better described as the Early Industrial Era and probably
underestimates the true anomaly over the Pre-Industrial Era by
about 0.2C]

Graph of temperature anomalies has been updated at:
http://www.scarlet-jade.com/science/...e-change/#data

If the temperatures mentioned above are referred to those of the
Roman Warm Period or the Medieval Warm Period rather than to those
of the Little Ice Age (also known as the Pre-Industrial Era), they
would be negative rather than positive.

It's interesting also to note that the figures given above are in
line with the excess temperatures of the Urban Heat Island effect,
first measured in the early 1800s at 2.0 degF.

--
Spike

Denial denial denial. All the science is wrong and the Trumpian
deniers know best.

I honestly thought you and yours were past this crap. No-one takes
you seriously any more - except for fellow deniers.

Oh well.

Burt's a 75 year old man living in Torquay who, 15 years ago, retired
from a lifetime of working for the MOD. He's a petty, spiteful old
braggart, who recently started a thread entitled 'OT: Gretta Tuneborg
sits on floor of train.' in uk.d-i-y : go and have a look if the thread
title doesn't tell you all you need to know about him.

He's previously posted under the name of 'Burton Bradstock', which is
why I call him 'Burt'.

Treat him in the manner he deserves to be treated and he'll quickly
killfile you.


HTH.

On 22/12/2019 00:57, Jim wrote:
On Thu, 19 Dec 2019 06:38:10 -0800 (PST)
wrote:
On Tuesday, December 17, 2019 at 9:25:37 AM UTC, Spike wrote:

If the temperatures mentioned above are referred to those of the
Roman Warm Period or the Medieval Warm Period rather than to those
of the Little Ice Age (also known as the Pre-Industrial Era), they
would be negative rather than positive.

It's interesting also to note that the figures given above are in
line with the excess temperatures of the Urban Heat Island effect,
first measured in the early 1800s at 2.0 degF.

Denial denial denial. All the science is wrong and the Trumpian
deniers know best.

I honestly thought you and yours were past this crap. No-one takes
you seriously any more - except for fellow deniers.

Oh well.

Burt's a 75 year old man living in Torquay who, 15 years ago, retired
from a lifetime of working for the MOD. He's a petty, spiteful old
braggart, who recently started a thread entitled 'OT: Gretta Tuneborg
sits on floor of train.' in uk.d-i-y : go and have a look if the thread
title doesn't tell you all you need to know about him.

He's previously posted under the name of 'Burton Bradstock', which is
why I call him 'Burt'.

Treat him in the manner he deserves to be treated and he'll quickly
killfile you.

HTH.

Nice try - better luck next time.

--
Spike

In the Climate Change belief system, only the future is certain,
but the past is constantly changing.
- Based on a Soviet-era joke.