"lawrence Jenkins" wrote in message
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"Col" wrote in message
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"Gavin Staples" wrote in message
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Lets look at the good news on global warming. Yes there is a big
flipside
and this has comes from scientists.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...12/ixhome.html

Phew, that's alright then!

Let's burn more oil.......

Col
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I agree Col that we are a very wasteful society, there is the personal
aspect of waste things like putting the heating on when a pullover would
suffice, or boiling two gallons of water during the course of the day to
make three cups of tea/coffee. In all honesty most people /consumers
haven't got a clue abiut the enormouse amount of energy it takes to get
that kettle boiling, so lots can be acheived in cutting down on personal
waste that i) makes the environment more unpleasant for all of us than it
has to be and ii) Just the pure common sense of not thrwoing your money
away.

Then there's the other aspect of seemingfull waste, my now deceased ex
father-in-law was a soft-left (thats meant to descriptive not derogatory)
labour party supporting paediatrician, a Professor in fact. he used to
agonize at the waste just in his dept alone. Stuff like sterilised
equipment where it would be far more econonomical to dispose off as
opposed to clean.
If you take PC's, sometimes on the mother board something as simple as a
capacitior may have died-worth pennies, the trouble is the cost of paying
a person to find that fault nearly always exceeds the expense of just
buying a new and invaribly upgraded version.
The other major problem for me is wether we spit the word out or not we
live under a specific type of commodity producing system called
Capitalism. The joke is that Thatcher never had any problem with using
that word whatsover wherase I don't think Tony Blair or Gordon Brown have
never used that word once in their political lives! However I digress,
surely it's the way, almost the coercement, of how the system has to work
that makes recycling, effieciency of resources almost impossible to apply.

So fighting hard to curb my waffling, nutcase persona, I'll end by saying
that I hate the waste, the seemingly wanton use of resources, but that's
the only way it can work under the almost binding forces of the economic
system. It's not greed, it's not selfishness it's just the way it works.
Until the penny , if it ever does drop, that's all we have.
With it all it's complexities investments, pension schemes, industries etc
these words all though not green words like Teppee, Dolphin, Solar energy;
are the words that describe all the things that allow the majority of us
to live better than at any other time in human history. Kyoto and all it's
implications based on something that could yet fool us all and reverse,
could plunge the thing into world recession. I think we tend to forget
just the events of the last hundred years let alone ice-core samples going
back tens of thousands!


We could go back to the old fuedal system, no mechanisation of farming
techniques 7 agricultural workes needed to feed ten people.
My cynicism of the hype of global warming is simply this
If there is a problem of exhausting natural resources and increasing C02-
well ration the consumption, don't cheat us by charging more, As I've said
before the term "congestion charging" (now being used by Alastair Darling)
is a down right lie. It's as simple as this, if you can pay, then you can
congest. This whole thing of sayiing it's a globle crisis and we'll
resolve it (fictitious or not) by making people pay more is in my book
tantamount to racketeering .



That's exactly how I feel about the whole argument. This here is a rational
way of putting the argument. Something like this ought to be said a lot more
often.


Gavin.