Dave.C wrote:
Call me old fashioned but if this winter is harsh it's going to be short and
harsh. I can remember snow and sub-zero air frosts by this time of year in
the "olden days".


You must be about 150 years old then, or live at the top of a
mountain. I don't think I've ever seen snow in October (SE England)
but then I'm a paltry 62 and still learning.

Tudor Hughes, Warlingham, Surrey.