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Old October 19th 05, 11:59 AM posted to sci.environment,sci.geo.meteorology,alt.politics.bush,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
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Default We Have A Winner! Tropical Storm WILMA ties record of 1933 -- SIX more weeks of 'cane season.

In article ,
(Øyvind Seland) wrote:
In article ,
(Lloyd Parker)
writes:
In article .com,
"raylopez99" wrote:
You are boring.

Who cares about counting storms. What is your point?

The point to answer is: is AGW = GW? Does GW even exist? A study in
NE found increased storms over the NE USA over a short time period,
but, going further back, a general trend downwards.

Same for hurricanes according to informed opinion.

I suppose you also believe the Ozone Hole is a "new" phenomena, caused
by man? (it is not, but in fact a newly _recorded_ phenomena that a
minority of experts including Lomborg believe has been around for a
long time, just not observed).


That's a lie, Ray. The hole was not there in the 1950s, when we started
measuring ozone at the South Pole. Again, something covered in freshman
science books.



Minor nitpick.

Some "experts" including Lomborg I believe has read science textbooks and did

not understand
the content.

There was actually an local ozone minimum over Antarctic lasting into the

spring, whereas
there was a spring maximum over the North Pole. This local minimum however

had much higher values
of ozone than what is being measured in the ozone hole. The main reason afaik

for this difference

Yes, there was a (comparatively) small seasonal cycle. Then it started
getting much bigger (lower values) in the 1970s.

between the North and the South pole is the strong Antarctic polar vortex
The same vortex is also an important part of the explanation of why the ozone

hole is much stronger
over the South Pole than the North Pole


But we're seeing ozone depletion over the North Pole now too.



Øyvind Seland