"Rob Overfield" wrote in message
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Lawrence Jenkins wrote:
"Les Crossan" wrote
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Hi. I'm in the United States and interested to know what some of you
British weather enthusuasts have to say about your own perception of
global climate change. Perhaps a non-American perspective might
prove enlightening to me.

I'm in the minority in this NG as I'm a manmade GW sceptic. However a
country that starts a war to satisfy its own greed for oil, gives
aid to Lebanon and weapons to Israel, sends prisoners abroad to have
confessions tortured out of them, has oil companies naming
supertankers after Condoleeza Rice, has a president who listens to a
lunatic Christian extreme right lobby group to the detriment of
everybody else and produces all these dreadful cop chase TV
programmes must have something seriously wrong with its national
psyche.

The USA - a country that doesn't believe in the United Nations and
didn't ratify Kyoto. Hail Bush, hail Exxon.

--
Les Crossan,
Wallsend, Tyne & Wear
54.95N 1.5W
Home of the Wallsend StormCam and the Backup USW FAQ -
www.uksevereweather.org.uk


Les isn't this "greed for oil" a tad over cooked?'

You know recently the were some articles doing the rounds saying the
deforestation and burning wood as fuel of the last two thousands
years was the start of AGW!! Well please excuse our ancestors for
trying to survive and put the world in the fantastic position it is
today. There has always been war, famine, plague and pestilence.
More people now live longer and better than at any other time in
history. What we all seemingly take for granted today could not have
happened any other way.

By the way alternative renewable sources of energy have been used the
last thousands years; windmills and watermills and you know what?
they were crap. Without the industrial age we wouldn't all be sitting
on computers hating ourselves.

Ok Lawrence, but at the start of the industrial age, they were still in
use.

300 or so years on, surely we have the technology to make these tools for
collecting the renewable energy sources more efficient?
--
Rob Overfield
Hull
http://talkingtoomuchagain.blogspot.com


Well Rob I think the issue that's never mentioned but is core to the
problem of energy usage is capitalism. That's the way it works it relies on
constant growth and greater output -whether we need it or not.

Now take Hi-Fi I've been an avid participent in this hobby? for nearly
thirty years. In all that time basic speaker and amp design has hardly
changed. It's only the digital revolution that's been a qualitive leap
foward -and some would argue that!
Still though, amps are the same variation on a theme class A (very
inneficient Class B , classA/B and blimey class D (which I'm listening too
as I type. Why I even have a lovely (again very inefficient) valve amp still
sitting on the floor awaiting storage.
I even listen to Lowther speakers in a horn design that's been around since
Paul Voight designed the basics back in the 20's and 30's

http://www.hi-fiworld.co.uk/hfw/olde...hornspkrs.html

Anyhow the point I'm making is that although not much has changed it hasn't
stopped almost billions of hi-Fi products emerging over the decades all with
very slight improvements sometimes none at all. Yet the very process of
manafacturing enabled employment, earnings , a mmarket for other products.

With hi-fi and now increasingly home cinema if we all stayed with what we
have now in terms of equipment then the industry would collapse.

Tp take it to it's extreme if we had free clean energy tomorrow it would
initiate a world financial melt-down with consequences far worse than GW.

In my view capitalism is the best humanity has had so far, it provided a
need to inovate and try and develope better products even though my hi-fi
example shows that the fundamental are still the same there has been
incremental improvements over the years. Yet many products have to keep
being reinvented improved or other wise only economic collapse can prevail.

Look I'm losing it now the point is that altough without growth and
continuous renewal of markets the whole thing would topple over taking many
of us with it yet how many amplifiers does one need?

This is one tough nut to crack.