On Thu, 12 Oct 2006 00:09:56 GMT, "Ray Lopez
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beav wrote in
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On Wed, 11 Oct 2006 05:30:18 GMT, "Ray Lopez
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beav wrote in
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On Tue, 10 Oct 2006 06:15:10 GMT, Exxon Stockholders Liable for Global
Warming Damages wrote:

Giant CO2-H2O Natural Laser photographed from Space Satellites --
2,763 megatons of TNT energy equivilent each peak hour measured.

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/Bebinca_01.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Bebinca/ioke...a_compare.html

http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Arctic_Ice_Melt.html
http://ecosyn.us/Temp_4/Mystery_Solv...ry_Solved.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IOKE_IR_Funktops.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IR_WEUS.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_Aug2/temp_aug2.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_july8/ITCZ_july6-8.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_july7/ITCZ.html
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_july9/july9.html


you mean it emitted a coherent stream of photons from a mix of CO2 and
H2O by stimulated emmission?

That's what the satellite photographed. IR in the 10.7 micron wavelength
at intensities not normal, in an area of 70,000 square miles, which
persisted for hours duration at peak and at unseen before levels over
two days time.

its not over 70000 km. the most intense areas are quite a bit smaller
in area.

70,000 SQUARE MILES is larger than 70,000 km^2, and 70,000 MILES^2 is what
can be measured from the photographic data.



my bad. i was thinking metric, not english.

what i apparently didn't articulate too well is that the entire area
of ioke (70,000 square miles) is not emitting this huge "lasing" area.
the areas that you are mistakenly conjecturing as "lasing" is small
regions of the hottest, most dense, part of the hurricane.


if it was coherent, the intensity would show as black or whatever
burned out pixels look like.

This is your shabby republican science education at work again. Did you go
to Kansas Creationist Science Schools?

Lasers can be mild as checkout scanners or intense enough that they melt
through steel as cutting lasers. Your mistake is to think they only have
one peak intensity parameter.

At 25,000 miles in space, very few of the IR photons actually reach the
sensors. Mostly they difuse. THe sensors are built rugged enough to
capture natural levels of peak intensity, and nobody really knows how many
test sensors they did burn out befoire they arrived at the threshhold
level of instrument ruggedness appropriate for natural phenomena.

The detectors have unused upper detection threshhold which rarely ever
gets activated by natural events. In this case the unused portion was used
because the intensity exceeded the photon emissions of even Hurricane
Wilma, the strongest hurricane ever measured in the Atlantic Basin.

You are just a knee-jerk opposer operating by compulsive reflex without
thinking and processing data. You did go to Moonie Kansas "Intelligunt
Desine" classes, didn't you? Admit it.


sigh the sensors are "light buckets". they count photons and stack
them in pixels. when the "bucket" gets filled, its considered
swamped. if you spent more than a few minutes downloading this stuff,
the green area is simply at the maximal value of the sensor. its
still on the scale.

if it was lasing, you'd be dumping streams of COHERENT photons into
just a few pixels. you wouldn't get photons "diffusing" over the
distance form the storm to the satellite. laser reflectors on the
moon accept laser shots, reflect light back to the source and only
spread out by feet.

i'm not opposing anything. you have made a mistake. i'm just
pointing it out.

do i get to post a "rumsfield snuf flics LIES AND GOT CAUGHT" post?



the pictures of ioke were very interesting. i don't know what
"emissions of the green area are not by obvious means" means...

its the very hottest part of the hurricane. what's the big deal?


There are "conventionl paradigms" which explain what the IR detectors
"mean". The plain fact is the detectors detect -- that's all they do. If
photons arrive physically at the location of the detector then they are
detected, else not. It really is that simple.

Interpretation of the IR photons being detected is applied paradigms,
putting "meanng" to the image created. The wrong paradigm will apply the
wrong "meaning" and deceive about the underlying physics in operation
which generated those IR photons. The statement is a warning not to jump
to conclusions by applying paradigms recklessly with disregard for the
totality of the known facts.

what? this is nuttier nonsense.


2763 MT of TNT energy MEASURED? or just calculated? your next
exercise is to calculate the background level of energy form the area
normally existing. further, compare that to the "MTs of energy" that
cover the globe every day.

The measurements were performed by a fleet of satellites with data
processed by the US Navy for navigational knowledge and security issues.
The stimulated emissions were concurrent with precipitation of rain as a
byproduct of the emission of IR energy -- with the decrease in energy,
liquid water bonds were able to form. The measured rainfail is a
reciprical of the emitted energy: know either one and you know the other
automatically. The latent heat of fusion for change of state from vapor
to liquid is known with great precision and has been known for
centuries.




one of your other sock puppets came up with this "laser" baloney...

do you have any idea what you're talking about?

Yes, natural formation of CO2 gas, H2O catalyst, amplification and
stimulated emission of infrared light radiant energy. That's what the
word "LASER" was invented to describe: L = Light, A = Amplification, S =
Stimulated, E = Emission, R = Radiation.

that's why i bought it up. no stimulated emission is occurring.

It it is NOT stimulated, then provde an alternate explanation for what is
photographed. It certainly is not a normal presence. This "abnormality"
existed to be photographed because it's abnormal presense was stimulated
into existence. Words actually do have meanings -- stimulated has a
meaning, and I used it within the defined parameters of that meaning. You
are simply denying photographic evidence and playingmutation games with
words. You have no alternative decription of the causal factors producing
a rare abnormality.


see your tripe above. stimulated emission is required for a laser to
be a laser. anything else at that frequency is just warm.





A normal CO2 gas laser is a tube filled with CO2, Nitrogen and Water
Vapor, to which electricity is applied. The electrons energize the
Nitrogen which emits photons, which are absorbed by the CO2 through H2O
catalysis, and the CO2 then spontaneously forms an emission stream. The
sidewalls contain the stream of photons and a full reflector on the back
forces a one-way stream through a semi-reflective front.

Exactly what was seen here.


ummmm. no. you need CO2, N2 and He in a reflective flow thru
chamber, under a relative vacuum (10-100 torr)

O2 will quench any population inversion.


Not under the circumstances seen here. Laboratories have a difficulty of
producing the "gigawatts" of power of natural lightening strokes, whereas
tropical storms have no shortages of lightning available. What is your
measurement of the "air pressure" in the passage zone of a gigawatt flow
of electricity in a smal space of time? What do you think causes the
"thunder" sound, if not the instantaneous creation of a violent
displacement of air molecules my multi-millions of Ampreres of electrons
flowing?

lets stay on task here. there is no way to get CO2 to lase under the
conditions of a hurricane. say it. SAY IT!

that other stuff is baloney.




The thunderstorm activity provided the charges of lightening. The
rainfall curtains provided a reflective sidewalls, the wet watery
surface provided the impermeable rear reflector, the atmoshere donated
the CO2, H2O vapor and Nitrogen gases, and Global Warming provided the
base system energy.


what? its an engineering project at its most simple. forming in a
hurricane? cmon.

Kansas Creationist Scienticklish-Flavored Denialism again.

"Hot Towers" is an established cyclone terminology associated with these
radiant events. The terminology is nearly a decade old at this point. The
elucidation has never been achieved by applying conventional paradigms,
and the internet is devoid of satisfying explanations beyond gross
description of a few parameters. The "inner working" are wholely absent.



You are entirely devoid of a coherent explanation, and empty of any
predictive theory. You are not even capable of taking the most basic
measurements off of the photographic data, as your faux paux mistaking
70,000 km^2 for 70,000 MILES^2 shows. You are simply unequipped to
understand the photographic data plaqced in front of your face.


and you seem heck bent on seeing something that isn't there, nor could
it ever be there.

let it go. just let it go.





The thing was PHOTOGRAPHED and measured up the yin-yang, you friggin'
dunce. NOAA satellites provided the public, including you and me, the
images, and the US Navy made their own archives as did I.

Reality does not go away because you find it an inconvenient truth.


science doesn't bend to your will. even if you hope real hard.


Bebinca cared nothing as to whether or not you or I were watching. It
obeyed the laws of physics. I witnessed the event and recorded the entire
sequence using every publically available satellite channel in existence.
That's why I happen to be in possession of 331 megabytes of satellite
imagery on my hard drive and you possess zero bytes.

GOOGLE is the impartial witness:
http://snipurl.com/ys6b

There are 11 links to the webpage
http://ecosyn.us/1/temp_sep_06/IOKE_IR_Funktops.html going back to
September 6, 2006. In fact the webpage is stored in a directory labelled
"temp_sep_06". This is one full month ahead of the phenomena of Bebinca.

On October 07, 2006 though most of October 08 my computer was
disfunctional due to a power supply failure. During the blackout period I
failed to download the 500 to 800 satellite images I normally process
every day. You of course cannot supply any copies of missing data because
you have none, because you don't even understand why you would need any to
understand what the Earth is teaching about physics to those who look with
a prepared mind.

I do however have a reasonably complete collection of the aftermath of
Bebinca, which drifted north off the coast of Japan, up into and across
Alaska, and bent backwards south through western Canada and then preceeded
easterly acroos North America.

The Alaska loop caused three days of severe windstorms that coated
powerline insulators wirh dust, then a rain which created a conductive mud
and power failures which shut off the northern end of the Prudoe Bay
Alaska Pipeline. The southern end of the pipeline was closed by flooding
conditions along a 65 mile stretch, which has been cleared. The pipeline
system is still partially disabled at this hour because of the remnants of
Tropical Storm Bebinca.

Once again I have sequential hour-by-hour photographs and you have Kansas
MOONIE Creationist Denialism. Which am I going to believe -- the
right-turd or my lying eyes?



Until somebody shows photographic evidence differently this stands as
the largest IR emitter ever photographed on planet Earth.


this may be. this is the least nutty thing that you've said, so far.


You are the one out of touch with physics of planet Earth.

Again, no coherent alternative explanation from you, just typical
republican badmouthing of science statements to discredit them.


sigh for it to be a laser, it must emit coherent light by
stimulated emission.

science? you? cmon!



The emissions were
at the top of the instrument calibrations and may have exceeded the
instruments capability to record excess emissions.


swamping a sensor occasionally happens. shrug turn down the gain
and resample.

this kind of data collection occurs all the time in digital
photographic astronomy. its no big deal.

What was photographed is the largest Earth-based photon event in the
history of satellite photography. If you can point to a larger one, do so.
Bebinca was photographed by a fleet of satellites, not just one. The Navy
archives site has satellite coverage from an entire fleet of satellites
sweeping the area in overlapping fashion, and this is just the public
non-classified satellites. One wonders what the military saw from their
more sophisticated spy satellites.





31 of the 50 States of
the United States are smaller than this event in terms of Earth surface
coverage. That big Ice Melt lake in the Arctic that people were recently
talking about was only slightly over half the size of this CO2 LASER
event, only 38,000 square miles versus 70,000 square miles.


huh?

despite what you believe, its not a laser.


I believe you are a republican ass who doesn't understand that LASERs
exist because the natural laws of physics permit them to exist. Under
appropriate conditions materials will LASE naturally, whether you like it
or not.



You are just another stupid republican who spends too much time thinking
about getting into boys behinds.


and you are still a self replicating puppet master that spews
nonsense.


Explain why the Repig leadership didn't call the cops on Foley 3 years
ago? They knew then, as WE ALL KNOW NOW that he was a sexual predator
violating laws.


Barney Frank, Gerry Studds, Bill Clinton.... but i'm here to poke a
hole in your ridiculous contention that hurricanes spawn CO2 lasers.

politics have nothing to do with your looney pseudoscience.