Gianna wrote:

Michael, is it the festives or the associated bevande that cause you to lapse
into the vernacular? I would be interested to know more about the basis of your
thing concerning earthquakes and other planetary forces, and how they relate to
the weather, rather than harsh words.

I get irritated very easily these days. I aught to know better. And yes
alcohol is a depressant. I promise not to have any more till next time.

I was venting off about how unlikely the air is to be the cause of the
gyres in ocean basins on a thread hers some days back.

They don't cause whirl pools for example but the geography is of a type
with them. I am surprised more people are not interested in the fractal
effect seen in such phenomena.

Here is another tricky fact that forms another part of the puzzle:

"When thinking of waves, most of us picture white-crested swells on the
ocean's surface, but some ocean waves occur in the lower depths
without ever perturbing the water level at the surface.

These so-called "internal waves" can occur because differences in
temperature and salinity between deep water and surface water can cause
the different layers to behave like completely different fluids.

Warm water near the top may be much less dense than cold water lower
down. The crests and troughs of waves passing through the deep layer
occur at the interface between the water layers, but they don't cause
swells on the ocean surface."
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/New...3?img_id=17497

The point being that fairly incompressible matter doesn't "seem" cause
them, so how much less likely is it that free air is causing it?

I was trying to point out that air is easily compressed and has the
ability to rise out of the way, it is soluble in water and forms layers
that make it exponentially more difficult for the next layer to have an
effect.

And all this on a perfect fluid:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perfect_fluid
http://grus.berkeley.edu/~jrg/ay202/node8.html

There is more he http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boundary_layer but I
lost interest when I read about Coriolis farce.

Never mind all that crap though, what do you make of this fog and its
associated cat 2 cyclone Bondo? http://tsr.mssl.ucl.ac.uk/

Not a bad hit that for someone who is only using the phases of the moon
to forecast them. Imagine what could be accomplished by someone
naturally gifted. Not those morons in the met office or the minions in
the BBC et al though.

I wonder what I could do with one of them supercomputers if I was tech
savvy. Push out even more crap like they do perhaps.

Happy platitude.