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Old July 1st 04, 11:37 PM posted to uk.sci.weather
Martin Brown Martin Brown is offline
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"Will" wrote in message
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This posting expresses the personal view and opinions of the author.
Something which everyone on this planet should be able to do.
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I rarely enter into GW debates but feel I must say something here.

It is a measurable fact that the earth is now warming up, ie global

warming is
happening.


Admitting that puts you one step ahead of Bush and his US big oil
cronies.
My own position on this issue not all that far from that of BP's.

And that is all we have in truth, the rest is just theories

with some
based on sound science and others based on vested interests or personal

gain.

Actually the increases in CO2 concentration (and its isotopic signature)
coupled with the constraints imposed by direct satellite measurement of
solar flux mean that even the most extreme right wing real scientists
have privately admitted that they cannot maintain the reasonable doubt
argument beyond 2010 without selling their souls.

But just like with tobacco there will be some volunteers using legally
crafted formulations of words to reassure the public that smoking is
safe.

Well Will. Most on here have far greater scientific knowledge than me. The
cynic in me though is always looking for the angle. Here I believe
especially in the UK, where so few actually work to support increasingly the
many that don't, that state expenditure is now so high that other ways to
raise revenue are now being used in particularly Global warming.


You are paranoid. Unemployment is relatively low in the UK now. Try
reading the Economist's take on the science behind GW and get back to
reality.

The really serious problem with Global Warming is that it is occurring
very slowly compared to the 5 year planning horizons of our rather dumb
politicians. Margaret Thatcher was exceptional in realising just how
serious a long term issue this will ultimately become.

We cannot realistically stop it, but we can still slow it down and buy
more time. And at the same time make finite oil reserves last longer.

All businesses now pay a climate levy that is reflected in the consumer
price. So hype up the dangers and charge accordingly.


I don't mind at all if the doubters buy some insurance so that when the
evidence becomes absolutely compelling there is some chance of doing
something about it. I don't necessarily agree with the climate levy, but
at least they are trying to do something. We will look pretty silly
otherwise when the Thames barrier is no longer high enough to protect
London.

It is sheer insanity to refuse even to consider no regrets energy
efficiency measures and continue mass producing ever less efficient
SUV's.

US vehicle fuel efficiency is heading down towards 10mpg at present.

Regards,
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Martin Brown