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Old October 13th 07, 08:04 PM posted to sci.geo.meteorology
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On Oct 13, 11:54 am, "Bill Habr" wrote:
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"Swiftboat" (verb): To tell the truth about a deranged, extremely
hypocritical individual with a hugely inflated self image.


Anybody who actually sifts fact from distortion knows that the most of
what the Swiftboaters claimed about Kerry was ultimately discredited
by witnesses who were closer to the scene.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_V...uth#Truth_of_a...


Different people have different memories of events.

Eyewitness accounts vary.


Unfortunately, it seems pretty clear to me that deliberately dishonest
smears are an established tactic in Karl Rove's GOP. Look at what the
Bush campaign did to McCain in the 2000 campaign. Any time these
allegations have been independently investigated, they've been
revealed as distortions or even outright fabrications.


It is pretty clear that you are biased and refuse to take a good look at what was said.


Remember Kitty Genovese?

38 witnesses, who never called police, when questioned gave over 20 descriptions of

the
perp.


This is not even close to relevant, given the respective facts and
allegations of the two cases. One was a one-time event witnessed by
people who just happened to be nearby. The other consisted of smears
by people who represented themselves as have been around Kerry closely
enough, and long enough, to dispute the facts behind his Purple Heart,
among many other things.


Very close to relevant - eyewitnesses can be wrong.



And don't forget the Kerry side had memory problems as well.


Such as? I don't recall Kerry smearing a political opponent based on
"memories" of something the opponent did almost four decades earlier.




In regard to the swiftboats, Kerry placed himself on a boat on a certain day, during a
certain action, when he wasn't there. He was later in command of that boat - was that a
lie are a mistaken memory?

One of the eyewitnesses that supported Kerry place himself in the same situation as Kerry
above - was that a lie are a mistaken memory?


Kerry's trip to Cambodia, near Cambodia, near whatever and running guns to the Khmer
Rouge?

Lies and mistakes cut both ways.