Seeing Mr Roeders name popping up on the group reminds me of how awry his
forecasts have been this year,
This surely proves there is no such thing as a reliable LRF,all the
'experts' have their day ,or even occasionally 'year then it goes pear
shaped.
If the Global Warming brigade are to be believed all the old rules no longer
apply anyway so there seems little point in trying

Victor Meldrew alias RonB