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Old December 9th 07, 08:41 PM posted to alt.global-warming,sci.geo.meteorology,sci.physics
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Default Can water evaporate in nitrogen atmosphere?

It doesn't matter what the other gases in the atmosphere are.

Evaporation and condensation depend on the temperature and the pressure of water vapor.
thus evaporation and condensation are happening all the time, there is a point where
evaporation and condensation are equal.

Consider dew point and relative humidity:
Dewpoint:
The temperature to which the water vapor must be cooled at constant pressure in order for
equalization** to occur.

Humidity:
The ratio of the vapor pressure to the equalization** vapor pressure at a given
temperature with respect to water, usually expressed as a percentage.

** "equalization" is sometimes referred to as "saturation" but "saturation" is a hold over
from an 18th century understanding of science when it was thought that air was like a
liquid solution.






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When water evaporates, it absorbs 40,600 Joules per mole. If the
energy of the temperature of nitrogen gas, is only existent in the
molecular motions of the molecules, and there is not an existent
radiation field absorbed and trapped in the nitrogen gas molecules,
than how quickly will the evaportation of water bring nitrogen gas to
near absolute zero?

Air has the heat capacity of about 29 Joules per mole per degree,
being the symmetrical diatoms with heat capacity near, 7/2 R @cp.
Therefore the entropy of 1 mole of air is about, 8700 Joules at 300K,
(7/2 RT), or the entire quantity of energy that this mole of air must
and will lose in order to change it's temperature to absolute zero.

When one mole of water evaporates, it absorbs 4.7 times the complete
energy of one mole of air. WHERE DOES THIS ENERGY COME FROM???? It
cannot come from either the molecular motions of the air or the liquid
water that remains, this is a scientific fact although it completely
invalidates the theoretical premise of theoretical climatology.

The most basic premise of AGW is that certain gases, 'grenhouse
gases', have particular properties to absorb infrared radiation and
therefore retain energy in the atmosphere by returning this radiation
which they have absorbed to the surface. The energy is supposedly not
absorbed into the atmospheric gases at the point that it encounters a
gas molecule, but is re-radiated at this wavelength resulting in a
quantity that is returned to the surface.

This radiation is supposedly measured by very expensive equipment, and
the value is proclaimed that 3.5Wm-2 of radiation is returned to the
surface due to the increase of trace gases of CO2, methane and N20,
due to human activity since about 1850 or the beginning of the
industrial age.

This theory and the publications of these studies, omit a detailed
analyses of water vapor. Water vapor having much more spectroscopic
properties infered to be the indication of the property of the
grenhouse gases and from which ALL calculations regarding the energy
or 'Wm-2' are determined. But the effect of water vapor in returning
radiation to the surface is disproved by actual scientific study or
even casual study of temperatures of regions or times of different
water vapor content.

To define a 'grenhouse gas', one must define what is not a grenhouse
gas. The spectroscopic bands are used, and the fact that O2 and N2 do
not have the dark bands of low or no transmission in the infrared is
used to infer that these gases are not grenhouse gases.

THERE IS NO SCIENTIFIC LABORATORY DATA WHICH SHOWS THIS PROPERTY WITH
ACTUAL DEMONSTRATION OF EFFECT UPON TEMPERATURE. THIS IS ONLY A
THEORETICAL SURMISE FROM THE SPECTROSCOPIC ANALYSIS.

But this theory then must explain that if the infrared passes
tranparently through the N2 or O2 gases, that heat energy from these
gases is delivered ONLY by actual collision of the molecules or
'conduction'.
These concepts are basic and the FUNDAMENTALS of the theory of
grenhouse gases, and the theory of anthropogenic global warming.

By the proper application of direct science, it can be proved that N2
gas traps and maintains a radiation field which is being absorbed and
radiated by each molecule and which covers a continous spectrum in the
infrared. It is completly falsly interpreted that N2 and O2 gas are
transparent to infrareds. The dark spectroscopic bands are bands of
low transmission of these frequencies. There are many many more means
that the direct application of science shows these basic tenents of
this theoretical science invalid. Although the academics and
'professionals' have no interest in this direct science which is not
in line with their contemporary beliefs or literature.

It is extremely false the notion that the particular gases radiate at
these frequencies. There is no direct scientifc evidence of this at
any relevant temperatures.

This means that there is absolutely no validity to the belief that
specific gases, especially in TRACE amounts and even much smaller
trace increase in concentrations, affect existing temperatures, cause
warming or in any way are harmful to the environment due to any
property whatsoever of retaining heat energy and affecting temeratures
of the planet.

This also proves the scientific societies that appove and accept this
belief are invalid, and should be held accountable for their
complicity in this scientific and economic fraud.

KDeatherage
The ship of fools of the BELIEVERS in anthropogenic global warming,
sails on, into the night, regardless of the ice bergs.
Next stop, the marina on 'No Paddle Island, up **** Creek