On 5 Apr, 19:01, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Sat, 5 Apr 2008 13:53:23 -0400, in a place far, far away, "Terrell
Miller" made the phosphor on my monitor glow
in such a way as to indicate that:







"Roger Coppock" wrote in message
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On Apr 5, 9:06 am, (Rand Simberg) wrote:
On Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:17:39 -0400, in a place far, far away,
"jonathan" made the phosphor on my
monitor glow in such a way as to indicate that:

Modern 'Science' marches ahead~

ORLANDO --

"We're in a busy period of hurricane activity that will inflict
unimaginable damage, but global warming is not the cause
leading researchers told the nation's foremost forecasters
and other experts Friday."

"Insurance experts warned Friday that the nation soon will
absorb a hurricane that causes more than $100 billion in
damage, and Landsea has estimated that a Category 5
hurricane could produce at least $140 billion in damage
to South Florida.
(* but global warming is not the cause)

snip remaining scientific cluelessness

If it is your fantasy, despite the clear statements of people who
study such things, that global warming is the cause, then how do you
explain the fact that this is happening in a period during which the
planet has been *cooling* for the past decade?

It has? *You simply can not say that with
statistical confidence. *Below, are several
graphs of global mean surface and near surface
temperatures. *Look at them, and you will find
several short intervals in the past that your
rules would also define as cooling periods, yet
the long term trend is clearly warming.

Michael Crichton tried that stunt in his "State of fear" novel. He took a
small slice of a long-term graph, and that slice showed temperatures falling
at the same time CO2 was rising, exactly the opposite of the predictions for
carbon emissions causing global warming.

I had nothing to say about long-term global warming. *I was simply
pointing out that Jonathan's thesis that it is causing more intense
hurricanes *now* is lunacy.- Hide quoted text -

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I am not so sure, the oceans are a complex entity. There is surface
water and deep water. The oceans apparently cool when cold deep water
reaches the surface. This is the origin of El Nino type effects. Thus
we can have a long term trend of ocean warming with drops in surface
temperature.

What the effect on hurricanes is not at all clear. In a hurricane deep
water (intermediate level) is forced to the surface by high winds. The
effect of temperatures 100-200m down on the development of hurricanes
is unknown. In any event the drop in SST is only a temporary blip. In
e few years time temperatures will be up again.

It is self evident that hurricane formation is related to vapor
pressure.


- Ian Parker