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On Sep 11, 6:35*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:
On Sep 10, 10:39*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:

On Sep 10, 9:46*am, Weatherlawyer wrote:


I knew these things were related but couldn't see how.:


*Vanuatu
*Andaman Islands, India Region
*Mid-indian Ridge
*Bonin Islands, Japan Region
*Hindu Kush Region, Afghanistan
*North Of Ascension Island
*Izu Islands, Japan Region
*Vanuatu
*Hindu Kush Region, Afghanistan
*Kermadec Islands Region
*Western Xizang-india Border Region
*Santa Cruz Islands
*Santa Cruz Islands
*Iran-iraq Border Region
*Solomon Islands
*Santiago Del Estero, Argentina
*Tonga
*Northwestern Iran
*Vanuatu
*Eastern New Guinea Reg, Papua New Guinea
*Flores Region, Indonesia
*Nias Region, Indonesia
*Izu Islands, Japan Region
*Kepulauan Talaud, Indonesia
*Tonga Region
*Fiji Region
*South Of The Fiji Islands
*Fiji Region
*Tajikistan
*South Of The Fiji Islands


They are near locations that repeat.


By "near locations that repeat" I meant that some of the places were
not many degrees from others in that list. They are a few degrees
apart. About how far apart they would be if they were under a storm
that was traveling about 6 to 12 knots -about as far as it would
travel in the times they are apart.


Tropical storms tend to move at the same speed.


Coincidence?
I don't think so.


Whatever controls the movements of storms controls the
movements of earthquake epicentres. Which lends itself to
a theory about clarifying the movements of storm tracks.


Present techniques are pretty good but run within an error parameter
that indicates that one or more of the functions used in the input
data is a related value caused by the same initial forces but
appearing as a symptom, not a disease.


So if we can use the above information to correct that bit, computed
weather models will improve dramatically.


Which brings me to another problem I have been mulling over for the
last few days.


ACTIVE STORMS
Ike (Atlantic)
Lowell (East Pacific)
Hanna (Atlantic)


Ike is a cat 2 hurricane.


The N Atlantic chart is interesting:
http://www.cuckney.pwp.blueyonder.co...r/Dorridge.htm


Ordinarily the isobars go up or down in 4 mb increments. I think
Britain is under a col. I don't know how long it will last. Or what
will displace the void.


Last week a bunch of Lows gathered off the coast and rotated as they
elongated over the UK, eventually ending up south of the Isles and
running through via Sea Area:Shannon. Always a bad sign.


Floods ensued.


The charts had better definitions This one is a mess.


Meanwhile over in Vanuatu something stirred?
2008/09/08
5.2 * * 19:52 * *-17.5 * *179.5 * * * * Fiji
7.0 * * 18:52 * *-13.5 * *166.9 * * * * Vanuatu
5.2 * * 10:44 * * -2.2 * *100.4 * * * * Kepulauan Mentawai, Indonesia
6.2 * * 03:03 * *-20.0 * *169.1 * * * * Vanuatu


I wonder how far apart these places are.


I bet they mark the 7 M. down to a 6.8 or lower, it being an
aftershock and all. There should be another one due around the 14th to
16th. And speaking of that spell, it is some 1 hour different to this
one.


(Or 5 or 7 hours, depending on how you look at it. I don't think it
hurts to be meticulous. I aught to give it a try. One of those thing
to put on my list.)


Over in the Americas, Ike is now a mere hurricane heading for Texas,
more stirrings due in the Andreanof Islands by the look of things.


Here we go with that reason the Vanuatu quake wasn't so terrible:
http://www.hurricanezone.net/tcgraphics/wp1508.gif


Now we will see something from this spell that will explain the 6 hour
difference in the spell.


Or not, as the case may be.


Sinlaku
9th = 90k
10th = 105k
11th = 120k
12th =1115k


It was 70 knots a few hours back. It seems to have followed the clock
on this one:
6.1 M. 09th @ 12:23. -9.3; 158.3. SOLOMON ISLANDS


*5.5 * *10th @ 03:00 * * *2.5 * * 96.3 *Simeulue, Indonesia
*5.2 * *10th @ 01:28 * * *30.9 * *83.4 *Western Xizang
*5.0 * *10th @ 01:15 * * *30.8 * *83.5 *Western Xizang
*5.1 * *10th @ 00:19 * * *2.5 * * 96.2 *Simeulue, Indonesia
*5.6 * *09th @ 23:18 * * -11.8 * *166.5 * * * * Santa Cruz Islands
*6.1 * *09th @ 12:23 * * *-9.3 * *158.3 * * * * Solomon Islands


So the bottom 2 quakes signal a cease and desist as well as an
increase in intensity. I think that's fairly safe to say both Ike and
the new one are involved there.


New one on me though (thus new to the world as far as I know.)


The Chinese ones signal the end of Ike as a major player until it
fills the playground up to the Rockies and decides to go home. It will
be interesting to see if it works in concert with any other storms by
the time it or they get to the Carolinas.


Also of interest will be any measure of tornadic stuff with the
Chinese ones. Or perhaps that signal is lost in the arrival ashore of
Ike? Maybe it will spawn cyclonic (or maybe it is the cyclonic)
activity.


Which just leaves us the 2 Indonesian ones. I can't say. But would the
pair be a pairing similar to the others? (The locations of the first
two being pretty close.)


Basically it is a lot of signal and very little white noise.


I can hear it calling, calling my name
The sky is falling, falling's what it says.


Can't speak any louder, I hear it shout
I think it's very interesting and that there is no doubt.


Oh I, I see things everywhere
Yes I can see it everywhere
Oh I...
Yes I, I can see it everywhere
Yes I can see it everywhere


BBC has sent a representative to the junket that is the physics lab in
Geneva where they hope to avoid setting the planet aflame with
particle physics.


There is a lot of activity along the lines of one of Shakespeare's
plays. It may be much ado about nothing or it might be a well matched
distraining pair. But I think that the Santa Cruz Islands and the
Solomon Islands count as the same place.


I have definitely got a cracked mind.


The BBC sent a bunch of losers to Geneva and saw a lot of nothing.
Despite which, dedicated a lot of airspace to the affair.


500 hundred souls got killed in Haiti after a storm that was well
forecast. No one wanted to go there, obviously.


If they are a close match and the distance apart chronologically
counts for anything, then this is a clue to the disposition of and
probable intensity of tropical storms.


It could tell us where and what. The when will be obvious according to
the weather forecast some 3 to 5 days prior.


Which lends itself to the forecasting of...
damn... lost the thread.


No matter, it will return if it is worth knowing. And I will have lost
nothing if it was worth nothing.


It's annoying though.


http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/...10/165_-10.php
A series of quakes acted as pre-quakes or fore-shocks to the ...


Hell, there is no such thing as a fore-shock or an after-shock. They
are no more related to each other than lightning in the same storm.
They are one phenomenon.
(as is the case with a lot of tornadoes in wide-spread storms.)


Meanwhile over in the North Atlantic, the gathering:
http://www.cuckney.pwp.blueyonder.co...r/Dorridge.htm


A repeat for Britain, of last weeks weather spell?
It doesn't take much for geophysics to throw the phenomena up on a
distant shore.


Something to do with a thought I had decades ago, that weather
forecasts might foretell earthquakes.


Why did it not click? What eludes me?


Because one half of my brain quite often doesn't know what is going on
in the other half. And I don't know how to get them in harmony. I know
I need to leave it, go away to a diversion and come back to it
refreshed.


But I just don't wish to let it go. It's an intense learning period
that drains all the pleasure out of it. I want to re-read the posts,
go back and look at the websites I visited and see if I can see
anything when I retrace my steps.


But of course, all I am doing is making an effort. I'd be better off
going to the shop and getting some eggs for my breakfast.


2 storms now in the Asian Pacific:
http://www.hurricanezone.net/


Outrageous fortune for those in the so called far east:http://earthquake.usgs.gov/eqcenter/.../10/145_40.php

Some heady stuff most of it too recent to have hit the list yet.

I think the 6.9 M in Hokkaido might be promoted to a 7 or more.

MAP * * *5.0 * *2008/09/11 04:01:03 * * * 41.987 * * * * *143.878 * * * 35.0 * * HOKKAIDO,
JAPAN REGION
MAP * * *5.2 * *2008/09/11 02:16:10 * * * 26.915 * * * * *55.754 * * * *10.0 * * SOUTHERN
IRAN
MAP * * *5.0 * *2008/09/11 01:08:12 * * * 41.747 * * * * *143.929 * * * 35.0 * * HOKKAIDO,
JAPAN REGION
MAP * * *5.4 * *2008/09/11 00:32:49 * * * 41.784 * * * * *143.790 * * * 35.0 * * HOKKAIDO,
JAPAN REGION
MAP * * *6.9 * *2008/09/11 00:20:53 * * * 41.979 * * * * *143.625 * * * 35.0 * * HOKKAIDO,
JAPAN REGION
MAP * * *6.6 * *2008/09/11 00:00:02 * * * 1.865 * * * * * 127.439 * * * 93.1 * * HALMAHERA,
INDONESIA
MAP * * *5.8 * *2008/09/10 16:12:04 * * *-20.261 * * * * *-69.151 * * * 38.0 * * TARAPACA,
CHILE
MAP * * *6.6 * *2008/09/10 13:08:15 * * * 8.091 * * * * * -38.748 * * * 10.0 * * CENTRAL MID-
ATLANTIC RIDGE
MAP * * *6.1 * *2008/09/10 11:00:35 * * * 26.862 * * * * *55.801 * * * *15.0 * * SOUTHERN
IRAN

Something about this is hiding in my brain cells but I can't connect
to it. My race relied on people like me when there was no such thing
as radio and the Outer Isles were at the neck of the end of the world.

Those gifted with or touched or some such they were called.
Unfortunates. And they must have been very frustrating to the rest of
the tribe.

OK.
Let's have a look at the above

5.0 * * Hokkaido, Japan Region
5.2 * * Southern Iran
5.0 * * Hokkaido, Japan Region
5.4 * * Hokkaido, Japan Region
6.9 * * Hokkaido, Japan Region
6.6 * * Halmahera, Indonesia
5.8 * * Tarapaca, Chile
6.6 * * Central Mid-atlantic Ridge
6.1 * * Southern Iran

That's the sequence

5.0 * * Hokkaido, Japan Region
5.0 * * Hokkaido, Japan Region
5.4 * * Hokkaido, Japan Region
6.9 * * Hokkaido, Japan Region
6.6 * * Halmahera, Indonesia

That's the topic for today, children.

5.2 * * Southern Iran
5.8 * * Tarapaca, Chile
6.6 * * Central Mid-atlantic Ridge
6.1 * * Southern Iran

These are the also rans.


Lots of pairing. including another 4.9 in Hokkaido to add to this
sequence:
5.0 Hokkaido, Japan Region
5.2 Southern Iran

Yet the storm Sinlaku is still a Cat 2 at 120 knots and slated to
reach 130 knots before it starts to unwind.

But all this pairing indicates otherwise. I must be wrong.

Or not, as the case may be.