On Nov 1, 5:24 am, z wrote:
On Oct 31, 4:38 pm, Bill Ward wrote:

Don't believe anything until you are satisfied you clearly understand it.
The burden of explaining a theory in a clear, accurate and understandable
manner lies with the proponents, not the skeptics. Be very suspicious of
those who try to convince you that you are so stupid you can't understand
their explanation. That's just their way of discouraging you from asking
questions they can't answer without exposing their ignorance.

well, i understand AGW theorists, i don't understand you. the
"negative feedback from water", for example. i fear you are treading
off in a direction you do not wish to go in.

It seems Bilbo is not talking about science above, but about xtian
Jesus-tosh, etc., and how generations of popes, ayatollahs and related
shamans have pulled the wool over the eyes of the gullible, so that a
self-identified, "priest class" don't have to work, and can have their
wicked way with children. He appears to support *their* existence,
even so.