On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 06:01:55 -0700, John M. wrote:

On Nov 1, 5:24 am, z wrote:
On Oct 31, 4:38 pm, Bill Ward wrote:

Don't believe anything until you are satisfied you clearly understand
it. The burden of explaining a theory in a clear, accurate and
understandable manner lies with the proponents, not the skeptics. Be
very suspicious of those who try to convince you that you are so
stupid you can't understand their explanation. That's just their way
of discouraging you from asking questions they can't answer without
exposing their ignorance.

well, i understand AGW theorists, i don't understand you. the "negative
feedback from water", for example. i fear you are treading off in a
direction you do not wish to go in.

It seems Bilbo is not talking about science above, but about xtian
Jesus-tosh, etc., and how generations of popes, ayatollahs and related
shamans have pulled the wool over the eyes of the gullible, so that a
self-identified, "priest class" don't have to work, and can have their
wicked way with children. He appears to support *their* existence, even
so.

John's vivid imagination completely overwhelms his mind-reading skills.