On Sat, 2 May 2009 02:22:33 -0700 (PDT), "
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On Apr 30, 10:51Â*am, What A. Fool wrote:
Leaving the introduction of energy to the biosphere from other than
the sun for one moment, if it is the case that there are differeneces
between the interface between the ground/ocean and air, as against the
purely gas regions above, and there clearly is, then logically form a
probability perspective you would expect different rates of adjustment
to the same stimilus in both regions.

It would be a miracle if at 15 seconds past sunrise the atmosphere
above caused cooling of exactly the amount that the earth below
warmed.

I tell you one thing they get a lot of bloody cloud up and down in the
60's latitudes:

http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ign...1_0_DN.obs.jpg
broken out of:
http://www.atmos.washington.edu/~ignatius/CloudMap/


Actually the clouds are the weather (where weather means
anything other than clear skies), even the jet stream path follows
the edges of the pressure areas visually defined by clouds.

I have tried to discuss the process of low barometric pressure
with meteorologists, where condensation has to cause a reduction
in pressure because there is a 200:1 ratio of volume between water
and vapor.

But the formation of cloud seems so subtle, this process seems
to be ignored or almost denied. Where it really comes into play is
in extreme weather where condensation and precipitation can be
going on at the same time, and where the extremes of barometric
pressures are found in cyclonics.

So clouds do more than just block and reflect and diffuse the
sun and radiate broadband both to space and downward, they are
very involved in weather other than clear skies.

This may be so true that surface IR radiation plays a minor
role where clouds exist, making any global averages almost
irrelevant.