On Sun, 27 Dec 2009 03:12:11 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer
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"I M @ good guy" wrote:

On Sat, 26 Dec 2009 09:40:25 +0100, Peter Muehlbauer
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"I M @ good guy" wrote:

On Fri, 25 Dec 2009 01:16:01 -0500, Poetic Justice
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On 12/24/2009 5:27 PM, chemist wrote:
On Dec 24, 8:51 am, Peter Muehlbauer
wrote:
"I M @ good guy" wrote:

On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:13:25 -0800, "Eric Gisin"
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Anyone else left the cult of Climatology since the CRU emails were liberated a month ago?

http://www.nctimes.com/app/blogs/wp/?p=6063

By: Bradley Fikes - December 21st, 2009

UPDATE: For whatever reason, Thanks to a link from Climate Depot, this post has drawn an outpouring
of commenters. Thanks for stopping by, and thank you, Climate Depot! And thank you for your
patience with the comment moderation. I check comments frequently, and will step up the pace to
keep the conversation going.

It's good to see science-minded people from outside climate science weigh in on this topic. The
climate science priesthood is at last getting that skeptical examination the unethical and
fraudulent Climategate gang has tried to avoid.

I've blogged a lot about Climategate and will do more. So please check back often.
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A few years ago, I accepted global warming theory with few doubts. I wrote several columns for this
paper condemning what I thought were unfair attacks by skeptics and defending the climate
scientists.

Boy, was I naive.

Since the Climategate emails and documents revealed active collusion to thwart skeptics and even
outright fraud, I've been trying to correct the record of my earlier foolishness. In one of those
columns, I even wrote: "And see Real Climate (www.realclimate.org) for global warming science
without the political spin."

In fact, Real Climate was and is nothing more than the house organ of global warming activists,
concerned more with politics than with science.

My mistake was assuming only the purest of motives of the global warming alarmists, while assuming
the worst of the skeptics. In fact, the soi-disant moralists of the global warming movement can
also exploit their agenda for profit.

Climategate jolted me into confronting the massive fraud and deception by top global warming
scientists, who were in a position to twist the peer-review process in their favor, and did so
shamelessly.

Yet still most media reports desperately minimize Climategate, saying that it doesn't taint the
massive research supporting global warming theory. To them I say, how do you know that? Have you
investigated how much of that research was published due to the manipulation of these unethical and
fraudulent scientists? Do you know how much research that goes against the global warming activist
claims was unfairly suppressed?

Until all this is known, it's not possible to say with any confidence how much of global warming
theory will remain after all the fraud and deceit has been removed. And until climate science is
cleaned up, it doesn't deserve the worship so many in the media unthinkingly give its tainted
practitioners.

But Bradley, they were saving the planet!

Yes, and they don't give up whatsoever after the tipping point
(how many are they now?)

Does the tipping point cause global cooling?I thought it
caused enhanced warming.

It causes tipping.....


Is that what a liberal leftist thinks taxes are,
everybody but the leftist pays taxes willingly.

But warmer weather will reduce the carbon
taxes, win, win, win, let it get warm, please.

Seems the only thing that has no tipping point (in sight), are taxes.

On the contrary, too much tax, everybody
goes bankrupt, it looks like that day is near.

Hmmm... I'm no lawyer, but AFAIR there is a paragraph in our Basic Law, that
it is everybody's right to refuse action on possible anticonstitutional
decisions.
I think, I'll precautionary write some letters to related institutions, that
I'll refuse to pay taxes based on this crap.
Let's see what will happen...

There is something like that in the US,
but as long as the law is applied uniformly
it may be difficult to avoid.

I suspect there are millions of liberals
that don't pay taxes, but small business
must pay taxes because all transactions
by check or credit card are a matter of
record.

I don't think refusing to pay is the
way to go, as far as cap and trade goes,
if I was in better health I would get a
chain saw and log splitter and start
burning wood, there is so much wood
here from old tree removal, and it is
free.

I had an old sycamore about 100 years
old that I had cut down and the tree man
wanted $400 to haul the trunk away, so
I had him leave it and I bought an $80
16 inch electric chain saw and cut it in
pieces and gave it away, the diameter
was about 33 inches.

Things are different now, there is so
little money circulating nobody will be
able to afford any new taxes, that is why
I am prepared to reduce my heated area
from 500 square feet to 200 square feet
in the coldest months.

Without the 50 million on Social Security
and SSI and pensions, things would be worse
than the 1930s.

This is partly because things have been
so good since the third year of Reagan that
everybody has every device and gadget ever
invented, so they are not buying, China must
be wondering where all the consumers went.