On Feb 4, 7:22*pm, Natsman wrote:
On 4 Feb, 20:04, Dawlish wrote:
On Feb 4, 6:16*pm, Brian Wakem wrote:
Dawlish wrote:
On Feb 4, 4:49*pm, Natsman wrote:
Not a rant, comrade, just telling it like it is.
And just for good measure I note with interest, and I confess, a
degree of satisfaction, that India are pulling out of the IPCC. *Could
this be the thin end of the wedge, I wonder? *Who knows...
CK
Present some evidence that temperatures are decreasing then
The tree ring data from Siberia that the CRU have shows temperatures
decreasing since the 60s. *Or rather it did before they decided to 'hide
the decline'.
I don't believe for one minute that the temperature is lower now than in the
60s but how do we know which figures to believe? *Which ones are real and
which are being massaged?
There's too many £trillions betting on run away global warming now so the
figures will show it happening regardless...
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Brian Wakem
I think you are repeating climate Audit percieved wisdom with the tree
ring data Brian and it's important to challenge misconceptions like
this. It is Briffa's research for the CRU that I think you are
referring to (2008). This was Briffa's own response to the
misrepresentation of his data, written in September of last year:
*http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/people/briffa/yamal2000/
Please note, especially, the last sentence, in which Briffa clearly
says that the conclusions from his research most certainly was not
what you posted ("The tree ring data from Siberia that the CRU have
shows temperatures decreasing since the 60s"). :
"We have not yet had a chance to explore the details of McIntyre's
analysis or its implication for temperature reconstruction at Yamal
but we have done considerably more analyses exploring chronology
production and temperature calibration that have relevance to this
issue but they are not yet published. I do not believe that McIntyre's
preliminary post provides sufficient evidence to doubt the reality of
unusually high summer temperatures in the last decades of the 20th
century."
K.R. Briffa
30 Sept 2009
i.e. the tree ring data that Hadley's CRU have shows nothing else but
that temperatures have *risen*. not fallen, in the last decades of the
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Dawlish, old son, you're on to a loser, I'm afraid. *I would just sit
tight for a while, and see what happens, if I were you.
The whole damned lot of them are corrupt, and only interested in their
own dogma. *We all know it's a scam, we all know we're not going to
hell on a handcart, and we all know that a cooling world is less
preferable to a warming one, and if the powers that be take the wrong
course (which they apparently are), the resulting economic disaster
which results from trying to fix things wot aint broke, will be solely
down to them (and you).
CK
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That's quite a rant even for you. Now where's that evidence of cooling
that I'd asked you for? To his great credit, Brian at least tried to
provide some. You simply cannot. The *only* measure of global warming
are global temperatures. You'd like it to be measured in all sorts of
ways, mainly political and wholly unrelated to temperatures, but it
can't be. I'll repeat for you: global warming is measured by global
temperatures alone and by nothing else. Simple really.
So; all you have to do to convince is to provide evidence of JB's
forecasting prowess over time (the thread title), or evidence of
global cooling - or you could just go on ignoring the facts and
continue to rant about al the things that you don't like, but which
have nothing to do with GW, as GW is about temperatures; not politics.
I wonder which of those you will do?