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On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 11:30:06 -0700, "Eric Gisin"
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http://www.thegwpf.org/climategate/8...-alarmism.html

Thursday, 22 April 2010 09:35 Richard S Lindzen

In mid-November of 2009 there appeared a file on the Internet
containing
thousands of emails and
other documents from the Climatic Research Unit at the University of
East Anglia in Great Britain.
How this file got into the public domain is still uncertain, but the
emails, whose authenticity is
no longer in question, provided a view into the world of climate
research that was revealing and
even startling.

In what has come to be known as "climategate," one could see
unambiguous
evidence of the unethical
suppression of information and opposing viewpoints, and even data
manipulation.

Its not clear to me how serious those claims are.

However, evidence for global warming is also available from other
sources.

Evidence for chocolate eggs is also available from other sources. The
question is, did the Easter Bunny lay them?

Its not clear to me how serious your claims are.

As opposed to speculations about the Easter Bunny done by Androcles,
Surfer posted statements and graphs from scientific institions (at least
most of them).

If you want to argue with NASA or GISS or NOAA or CRU on a scientific
basis, then please go ahead.
But if you only argue on the basis of what you read on a denier blog
site
about what they think they read in some private emails then please STFU
and let our scientists do their work.

Some simple facts about climate.

Negative feedback:

1) Sun heats ocean.

2) Ocean evaporates and forms clouds.

3) Clouds reflect sunlight into space, reduce evaporation.
If you doubt it, feel the sunlight on your skin when a cloud
obscures the sun.

4) Less cloud forms, more heat is absorbed, more cloud forms,
less heat is absorbed; Earth's temperature remains constant.
If it gets warmer, it will cool. If it gets cooler, it will warm.

Positive feedback:

5) Snow falls on land and polar ice fields.

6) Snow/ice reflects sunlight into space, reduces heat absorption.
Water absorbs sunlight, increases energy intake. Ice reflects
sunlight, reduces energy intake. If you doubt it, take a swim
in the Gulf of Mexico and another in the Arctic Ocean.

7) Earth cools as it radiates heat to space, more snow falls,
more sunlight is reflected, result is an Ice Age. The colder
it is, the colder it will get. The warmer it is, the warmer
it will get.

Changing the balance:
http://androcles01.pwp.blueyonder.co...erSunlight.jpg

8) Earth's orbit is elliptical.

9) Sunlight obeys the inverse square law.

10) Earth is tilted.

11) More sunlight reaches Earth at perihelion than at aphelion.

12) Earth's Great White Spot, Antarctica, reflects sunlight at
aphelion (Southern summer).
http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/earth_1_apollo17.gif
Result, positive feedback predominates, Ice Age.

13) Earth precesses. Earth's Great White Spot reflects sunlight
at perihelion (Northern summer). But Earth's Great White Spot
has no sunlight to reflect and the Northern Wet Spot (the Arctic
Ocean) has even more sunlight to melt its ice cap than it had
when it faced the Sun at aphelion. Water absorbs far more heat
than ice. Result: more sunlight absorbed, positive feedback,
natural global warming.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...precession.gif

14) But it is offset by more cloud, see negative feedback above.
Overall result - a small change in mean temperature as a function
of precession.

15) CO2 levels rise as a consequence of a warmer planet, not as
the cause. Why? Because with more heat we have more thunderstorms
and more lightning and more forest fires, plants grow faster in a
richer CO2 atmosphere and the world gets greener instead of whiter.
Green is the good colour, white is the bad colour. Plants are green
because green absorbs sunlight. This is the rainforest effect.

16) Far more strange gases are vented to atmosphere by
volcanoes than by man. See "Carbon cycle".

It went straight over the top of your stupid ****in' head, didn't it?
You chocolate egg deniers are all the same, you pretend chocolate
eggs don't exist. The real question is whether or not the Easter Bunny
laid them or if they are anthropogenic.
I have not denied global warming exists, you stupid ****, so STFU
since you don't know whether the cause is anthropogenic or natural,
you stupid, ignorant, arrogant *******.

but all the players admit the atmosphere is very chaotic and complicated.

Go sailing somewhere else, all players agree you are an idiot.