On 6/1/2010 8:08 AM, oriel36 wrote:
On Jun 1, 1:48 pm, wrote:
On Jun 1, 1:16 pm, wrote:





On Jun 1, 1:02 pm, wrote:

On Jun 1, 12:44 pm, wrote:

On Jun 1, 11:34 am, Roger wrote:

On Jun 1, 3:30 am, Roger wrote:

Please see:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture09043.html

"Accounting for multiple sources of uncertainty, a composite of
several OHCA curves using different XBT bias corrections still yields
a statistically significant linear warming trend for 1993–2008 of 0.64
W m-2 (calculated for the Earth’s entire surface area), with a 90-per-
cent confidence interval of 0.53–0.75 W m-2."

Do yourself a favor Roger,this is not a childish exercise ,it lets you
and everyone else know how much they understand of climate along with
how much you understand of the Earth and its motions.

Take one chair or any object and set it in the center of a garden or
large room to represent the central Sun.Get a broom representing both
the daily rotation of the Earth and its 'tilt' and start to walk
around the perimeter while keeping the broom handle pointing in the
same direction.You will notice something immediately,at times you will
have to crab sideways,then walk backwards and then forwards in your
'orbital' motion about the central chair/Sun representing the orbital
motion of the Earth as it moves along its orbital circumference.

At the polar outposts they experience a single daylight/darkness cycle
as the Earth orbits the Sun with 6 months of daylight followed by 6
months of darkness and a brief period of polar twilight at the orbital
points of the equinoxes.What causes the polar coordinates to turn
through the circle of illumination at the equinoxes arises strictly
from the specific way the Earth orbits the Sun just as you have to
walk around the central chair in order to satisfy daily rotation and
its 'tilt' characteristic in pointing to Polaris at all times.

So Roger,it would be nice to hear a proper explanation for the
temperature fluctuations at different latitudes throughout the annual
cycle before moving on to more complex variations through whatever
causes.The role of 'tilt' is in determining that the Earth has a
largely equatorial climate as opposed to a planet like Uranus which
has a polar climate so that 'tilt' does not cause the seasons,the
cause is strictly a characteristic of the orbital motion of the
Earth.So Roger,split the daylight/darkness cycles into two separate
effects and assign an individual cause for both,daily rotation for the
day/night cycle and the polar daylight/darkness cycle due to the
orbital motion of the Earth.Then you might,just might understand for
the first time that it is the length of time a latitudinal location
spends in the orbital shadow or in solar radiation which determines
global temperatures and climate rather than inclination to solar
radiation.

And you actually believe this?

The North and South polar coordinates are a window into what is
happening with the orbital motion of the Earth as our planets moves
along its orbital circumference in explaining why there is a single
daylight darkness cycle of 6 months of daylight followed by 6 months
of darkness.There is no or only residual rotation at the polar
outposts hence that great polar cycle,as the coordinates turn through
the circle of illumination at the equinoxes is due strictly to the
orbital motion of the Earth.

If you don't do the experiment which requires that you use the broom
handle to represent daily rotation and its constant orientation
throughout an annual cycle and actually physically walk around a
central object, you will never appreciate the distinct differences
between the daylight/darkness cycle at lower latitudes due to daily
rotation and the distinct polar cycle.

I wouldn't even beg the question as to what you think causes the
single daylight/darkness cycle at the North and South poles using
'tilt' at the explanation because it avoids the actual orbital
cause .So,get yourself a broom and delight in something new for a
change,maybe it might awaken your interpretative instincts enough to
make you laugh at the foolishness of people at the moment but
effectively you have a new explanation for both the seasons and
variations in the natural noon cycle when allied with daily rotation.- Hide quoted text -

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There's always one who thinks the rest of science is wrong and he's
(always a he) is right. You take today's prize Oriel and you join the
ranks of Ward, Denk and that one with the strange and lengthy sig that
you can seldom figure where he's saying anything. Not surprisingly,
they all sit on the denialist benches.


No point in dithering around with tiny fluctuations in temperature
tied to a minor atmospheric gas if you can't explain the huge seasonal
temperature fluctuations using the Earth's planetary dynamics,the
admonition is that the Earth is not a greenhouse so stop treating it
like one,at least until you comprehend fluctuations in temperature at
different latitudes at different points in the Earth's annual cycle.

Most like yourself have nothing to say but there will be those who
just might catch a glimpse of something new if they actually and
physically do that basic experiment and put their observations in
order.What eases the difficulties is considering the transition from 6
months of polar darkness to 6 months of polar daylight as a cycle just
as daily rotation generates the diurnal day/night cycle,thereby
allowing that window into the great orbital motion of the Earth and
how it behaves as it orbits the central Sun.

This is not a personal taunt nor is it a condemnation of individuals
or a group,just an invitation to be honest and open for a change in a
world that badly needs it.

Unfortunately, your insistences that we don't know this and that, and
this and that waltz must be done, don't make any sense. You can crack
any meteorology textbook and find this stuff. And none of it is new to
those doing AGW research.