On Sep 14, 8:52*am, Stephen Davenport wrote:
On Sep 13, 11:41*pm, Lawrence13 wrote:



Meanwhile back at the ranch: some idiots chided Roy Spencer for his
Christian beliefs

I believe that he was derided for creationist beliefs (however
accurate those claims may be), not Christian beliefs. A very different
thing.

Stephen.

It was. Try this for size. It's from a chapter Spencer wrote in "The
Evolution Crisis", a compilation of five scientists who reject
evolution:

http://theevolutioncrisis.org.uk/testimony2.php

"As I investigated religions other than Christianity, I became aware
that many of them assume evolution to be true. The Bible was the only
'holy book' in which I could find a record of God's creating the
material universe from nothing! Next, the work of many historians
revealed to me that the Bible is by far the most accurate and best-
substantiated ancient book known to man. It truthfully portrays actual
historical events and has been faithfully copied by scribes over the
centuries so that what we have today in the Bible is, to a very high
degree (within a percentage point or two), known beyond a shadow of a
doubt to be the same as was originally written down by the authors.
Furthermore, nothing in that two percent affects any of the major
Bible teachings or events."

These really are Spencer's words. You make your own mind up; I've made
my decisions about his views and I am not "open minded" enough to
accept creationism. I think most would agree with me.

I have no concerns about scientists holding religious views and many
of my scientific freinds and muslim or christian. None are
creationists and promote intelligent design, or they simply would not
be friends of mine. I have all sorts of concerns about a scientist who
promotes a particular, very anti-mainstream science view of climate
science and believes so strongly in intelligent design that he writes
very fundamantalist and anti-science views about evolution. He would
certainly support your children being taught that intelligent design
is the equivalent of evolution in classrooms, with those clear views.

These people really are dangerous and fortunately their views are so
extreme these days that they are mainly ignored, or derided. If you
support the views of someone like Roy Spencer, You have to take his
views about creationism into account as well.

Bit off-topic and apologies for that, but I'm not the one that
introduced it and but I'm not keen on someone expressing views about
what I've said wrongly. An apology from Lawrence would go down well.