One of the first things I can recall about the North Atlantic that seems applicable now is the way that some storms seem to follow the water north out of it from time to time.
Like it is doing now:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/public/w...ime=1474113600

It never occurred to me to watch what it was doing to ice levels because I wasn't interested. In all the time that has passed from Franklin to date, there has never been a reliable North West passage for trade, like the one discovered through the point of South America -which was explored by the FitzRoy expedition to save the cost of damage to vessels going around the peninsular, there was always a permanent way through there, even if it was the Australian route.

Now that we seem to finally have a North West passage despite the hopes of the sheep that we can do something to prevent that happening, the value of it to Europeans is considerably diminished since China no longer belongs to Britain, nor does India.

Nor does it look like the USA will get its hands on them, in fact China seems to have become the owner of the USA. (The statue in Daniel is dead enough to lie down, now.)
All that money developing terrifying weapons and what do they have to show for it?

In WW1 it became viable for trade with Australia but only because the political need was forced on Britain and freighters were large enough to make a small profit once the retail magnates had made their gross. Farming was still a risky business whoever was doing it.

And the reason that I am keeping Stooopid's thread open is not to allow 24/7 for the Col/Jenkins children to play in. I don't need a kill file to realise I don't wish to bother with them. And if they annoy anyone; too bad. Get lives, or go and play with the other losers on pastures new.

I think that once the oceans decide to settle down again, the ice will reform. The only alternative is to believe liars know what they are talking about. He may not be blessing me but I am certain god isn't going to be blessing them and I want to see it not happen. I don't think I should be vengeful.. But if anyone can be so blatantly stupid as to ignore everyone all the time then it only remains to be seen what happens next.

It is inevitable that water freezes once it gets down to about minus 2 C. What seems to have escaped discussion is that it only seems to get to be 8 feet thick before it all goes away again. If there was no cycle going on in times past, why was it not much thicker?
In the Antarctic the ice goes right down to the sea floor.

Had the Royal Navy been building welded freighters three or four inches thick in the 1800's we would not be having conversations about ice in Antarctica, because all the men that go there would be dealing with it.

Had they allowed free men to use nuclear reactors in their ships, international trade would have been using submarines a long long time ago. Not just because the north would have been navigable but because it makes economic sense to go under the sea. There is less stress to the metal that way and the route ships take is a lot smoother.
But we belong to people who don't allow such freedoms, for all the rhetoric, nations still prefer to use plutonium in ships. With all the problems that entails.

None the less there does seem to be a lot of pumping going on in the Arctic at last. It doesn't get anywhere near the energy values of the Antarctic. And it doesn't last long, either. Just some perspective to allow anyone that wants to follow things through all these arguments about glowballs. It will be (IMO) interesting to become informed about all this sort of thing for once and for all, do you not think?

And now for the monkeys; we have to suggest a first cause, a more mundane one than the unacceptable god dogma, obviously.